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That sounds fine to me. Pissing in the wind is a gendered statement. Let's stop doing that. I see nothing but positives coming from that change. If you feel like you're talking in code...maybe consider WHY it's a good idea to not say things that other people find exclusionary.

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This is the core problem with social justice, which I support. When you have a very real problem, eg that some groups live their lives in a situation where they must police their speech and actions to fit with the dominant white male cishet culture. This is a problem, and should be noted and acknowledged. Do you not see that having as your solution "force everyone to act fake and robotic, just like excluded groups/cultures do around the dominant culture" just expands the problem?

This robotic speech is incredibly socially isolating, you end up with communities isolating into their specific groups not out of racism or sexism but because it is the path of least resistance. People in general don't want to expend time or energy learning the rulesets that each subgroup needs followed to feel included and safe. This goes for non-privileged groups as well, isolating themselves from other non-privileged groups. When going into a situation unknowing can get you shamed and called out, the path of least resistance that does not result in a negative outcome is not engaging with other groups of people unlike yourself. AKA the opposite of what our stated goals are. People don't want to act robotic, and they don't want to isolate themselves.

So asking people not to use phrases that reference their penis or urine (like pissing in the wind) is forcing people to be robotic?

Females emit urine and affected just as much by pissing into the wind.

yes

It’s interesting because I mentally don’t want people to be pissing outside of bathrooms whatever their gender.

Then when you specifically plan it, for camping in the wilderness for instance, there’s accessories that help to level the playing field (feel free to google it, it should come up with keywords like “woman camp urination portable”. It has an actual interesting story behind it and was developped by a camper that made it for her own needs at first)

5 gallon bucket, kitchen 33 gal trash bags, foam swimming pool 'noodle', paper towels (for absorbtion)

It's not environmentally friendly, but cheap for a temporary portable toilet.

Note: cut the pool noodle down and it sort snaps right on to the bucket.

> I mentally don’t want people to be pissing outside of bathrooms

You definitely wouldn't enjoy staying at my place then!

Pissing in the wind is likely going to cause a mess regardless of gender.

> Pissing in the wind is a gendered statement.

I’ve seen videos that beg to differ.

One the one hand, that is technically true. I'm sure there do exist some videos that demonstrate that fact.

On the other, across my 53+ years of living on this planet, I don't think I have yet met a single female who would try to participate in that kind of activity. And I've met more than a few males who would actually be entertained by that outcome.

So, on the weight of my own personal experience, I would have to agree with the section you quoted and responded to.

More murders are committed by males. Does that make the simple verb “murder” inherently gendered? Is that your claim? because that’s the only possible relevance your odd personal testimony seems to be implying.

no, it isn't

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