The depth and breadth of anti-Tesla sentiment in HN threads is curious. It's rarely from owners. By all satisfaction surveys, owners love their Teslas.
Then one time I decided to tether it to my phone. Soon after I got a software update, and I went ahead and applied it.
Big mistake. The update not only changed the GUI substantially, but also broke the navigation system and the voice command system.
The navigation system now gives two or three instructions and then nothing, it'd still be active and following the route on screen, but no more instructions.
The voice command system took around 5 seconds to get ready to record, while it was instantaneous before the update.
I took it in for service. They seemed to know about the navigation system problem. But all they could do was to apply the latest update. It didn't fix the navigation system, and the voice command system now takes around 10 seconds to get ready.
Overall I still like the car, but I don't think I'll ever get another, not while they're still pushing out half-baked software updates that could potentially cripple critical functionalities.
I don't get all of the anti-Tesla vitriol, I'm honestly curious what fuels it. It's like all objectivity get's thrown out the window.
Welcome to the internet? Tesla is just a divisive topic around here and only a small percentage of that concerns their products.
As somebody usually only watching these threads it's quite amusing to be honest. On one side you have the people that just don't like Musk, or those with legit concerns like the right to repair folks. On the other hand you have a mix of satisfied owners and people that for some reason to into full "somebody is wrong on the internet" mode. There rarely ever seems to be any constructive discussion in these threads, any praise devolves into mud swinging, every criticism is jumped upon or dismissed.
Yeah... I noticed this recently too. The early days were very enjoyable and insightful. Do you have other alternatives?
I would maybe prefer something that is linux inspired, but https://www.phoronix.com/ is too wordy for me. Something like https://www.planetizen.com/ is cool for me, but maybe too specific.
Suprisingly, Reddit is cool if you choose your subreddits wisely. But apart from that, tbh I think it's probably better to read actual books on topics you find stimulating or maybe something like the Economist.
Teslas are disruptive - they're not what you expect of cars. I will never look the same at a car again. Tell this to anyone who doesn't understand, and they simply won't understand what you're going on about.
Over a year in; driving my Model X still makes me smile.
This is exactly the kind of vitriol I was talking about... "FSD" now has Navigate on Autopilot, Smart Summon (with v10 it now comes to YOU! https://youtu.be/9cuJATedvDk a Tesla exclusive feature?) Autopark and Auto Lane Change.
If you option these on other similarly priced cars, the bundle will be priced either the same or probably even more.
Your claim was this:
> You can not drive a Tesla without using the touchscreen on an almost constant basis.
This is patently false, but I can't prove a negative. I drive the car every day without touching the screen, let alone on any constant basis, but I guess maybe you know better.
False. There are voice controls, buttons on the steering wheel, the steering wheel itself, pedals, pedestals (for turn signals like other cars), etc. Even autopilot's functionality doesn't require the screen (or touching it).
> music browsing, imperfect automated climate control settings, navigation, insane/ludicrous mode, apps, etc.
None of these things are required to drive the car, and music browsing is controlled by knobs on the steering wheel.
Respectfully there's no way to respond meaningfully when these statements are made in bad faith. You can't walk back your initial claim to "many non-critical non-driving features require using the touchscreen."
The last thing I’ll say is this: I think it’s unfortunate that you are so invested in defending your position at all costs that you are unable to separate the argument from passive-aggressive personal attacks.
There's your quote, verbatim, and it's false. If you don't want to get called out for verifiably false statements, I'd avoid making them in the future.
> The last thing I’ll say is this: I think it’s unfortunate that you are so invested in defending your position at all costs that you are unable to separate the argument from passive-aggressive personal attacks.
Responding to factual inaccuracies is hardly "defending a position at all costs," but I'm sorry if it got you worked up.
Feature parity would (for me) require at least:
1) Same price point 2) Decent size, bigger than a Leaf, but still not SUV-big 3) Same range with same carrying capacity 4) Something that would compete with the Supercharger network 5) The Geek factor. I want a super-techy EV, not something that's exactly like a normal car, except electric.
We had a total of two 20-minute charging stops on each (12-hour) leg, during which we ate a burger, took a toilet break and had a cup of coffee. When we were done, the car had enough charge to reach the next planned stop (in 4 hours) with 25% capacity to spare.
Absolutely zero worry about running out of energy, zero time standing still that we wouldn't be taking a break anyway.
All three of us were more rested when we arrived than when we took the same trip in an ICE car six months ago, due to a more quiet and comfortable ride with no engine vibrations. Notably, the trip was also faster.
Perhaps mix that with some other less than attractive traits.
it’s unfortunate because i’m sure there are some cool thoughts and idea out there on HN but it’s always ruined by negativity. in which, watch this comment get downvoted to oblivion.
- Just stating bad press has some connotation of "fake news", there is a lot of bias in the media regarding Musk and Tesla. So much that it is close to impossible to get a fact based view. Yet, the facts ot there aren't that great, especially regarding the finances. So if you are making a point about opinions being based on bad press alone and criticize others, provide fact and data.
- Saying others talk garbage is kind of a personal attack, you might want to refer again the posting guidelines.
- One of the interesting points about HN is the multitude of opinions, you don't have to agree to learn something new. Quite the contrary. And here the guidelines come in to have an open discussion.
On a side note, I didn't downvote you. Reason is because in threads like these it doesn't help a lot anyways. Also, I think personal opinions about the discussions here themselves are perfectly fine. Just tone it down with regards to opinions you don't necessarily agree with.