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I wonder if this means the desktop version of PUBG is also banned in China now? There has been a big problem of cheaters in this game, and others like it, the majority of which are Chinese.

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Yeah I never understood why they mix asian and western player populations together like that. There is obvious cultural differences, of course there is cheaters of all creeds, but I promptly stopped playing this game when the chinese flooded it. No fun in playing a team game whera A. You can't communicate with your teammembers, B. Your teammates will shoot you in the face the moment you get better stuff than they have. (Had chinese do this to me 4-6 times in one day).

Edit: removed inappropriate generalization.

Bleh, someone has to say it. It's all because of culture, could be the culture of the game in those versions, not necessarily the culture of the country. I remember I used to play this golf MMO called Albatross / Pangya that was all tea and cookies until the company bought the brazilian provider of the game. Suddenly we were flooded with cheats, in-game currency begging in the chats. The admins made it clear that such behavior was forbidden but eventually ended up banning all south american IPs IIRC. Bad move because I lived in Chile back then, and I wasn't gonna set up a VPN just to play that game.

Its most definitely not Chinese culture, but a subset of Chinese GAMING culture. Just like all western gamers aren't misogynistic trolls that yells "tits or gtfo" to all female players. Its a subset.

Players saying nothing but "CHINA NUMBA ONE" in game chat made me ditch PUBG for CoD Black Ops 4. I'm happy to play with non-english speakers if they want to play together. The problem is there were so many of these trolls that it made playing in a random squad unbearable.

I haven't experienced any of that in about 6 months, unless you like playing TPP then your mileage may vary.

In a similar vein, many Chinese players of Ark are cut-throat players that rampantly cheat. It's not that there aren't cheaters from all cultures, but there seems to be a culture or sub-culture in China that employs cheats as easily as the designed game mechanics to the point that a fun experience is a distant priority behind winning.

You know, I hear shit like this all the time but I’ve never experienced it in the 500 hours I’ve played pubg.

The most extreme form of cheating I’ve seen is a few people using no-recoil scripts, and I’ve never had a problem with the behavior of Chinese players. In fact, I’ve gotten to learn a bit of the language to communicate with them, and it’s great fun to try and cross the language barrier. They often reciprocate, I’m kinda sad I might potentially see less of them.

Maybe it’s because I’m on desktop? Who knows...

Perhaps if you live on the east coast, you are unlikely to be put on the same servers as people in South East Asia. Propagation delays make for regional differences in gaming community, even taking VPNs and stuff into account.

Tell me, did it strike you at any point that generalizing Chinese players viewing you as just another generic white person might have some hint of the pot calling the kettle black?

I think it's not the same because they disregard the rules and refuse to communicate (at least that's my impression).

Unfair game is unfair game no matter what nation / race or skin color you are

Sure, I wasn't trying to suggest they were completely equivalent.

The fact that the parent was objecting to every member of a group of people treating all members of another group of people similarly struck me quite strongly when reading it, separate from the discussion about differences in culture.

Have you ever actually played the game? Or browsed the forums, for that matter?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/578080/discussions/1/

First of all I'm not generalizing. What I say is purely based on my experiences. Experiences may differ. Im not racist, infact I love China as a country (I want to visit again sooner than later) and I think that many chinese are good honest persons, especially the elder more talkative and the young people from the big cities (especially Shanghai youngsters seem very "western" for a lack of a better word). But there is many that are not. Its cultural, imagine the history of the chinese. Having empathy and having the balls to take a stance would at some points in history have cut your lineage short in china.

Its actually kind of funny that you accuse me of generalization, since every single chinese I have met in China referred to me as "Englishman" and wanted to take pictures with me because i had "jew hair"

You are describing every player who was a member of a group as having similar characteristics, based on your experiences with (presumably) the subset of those players you've encountered.

I'm not weighing in on whether you're right or wrong, here, just remarking that you seemed to be demonstrating similar behaviors to those you were complaining about.

It's possible to stereotype or overgeneralize about cultures and people in ways that are not negative.

I'm also not (intentionally) suggesting that your observations of behavior are accurate or inaccurate, or that the relevant people weren't engaging in the same behavior, just that the grouping of a complaint about people overgeneralizing with defining of the people doing the grouping as members of a very large group was quite striking, to me.

No I described my general experience in a certain game, after a specific market was opened. Of course it was a subset, I met like one or two super cool chinese players, even had a few chicken dinners, but the overall experience for me was not worth it after the chinese flooded the game, I and many others simply stopped playing. How is what I say here similar to what what im complaining about? Am I referring to all chinese dog eating communists? Am I implying I shot them promptly in the face ingame for their gear, because they did it to me?

Yes its possible to stereotype and overgeneralize in a positive way, I can say lot of positive things about China and the chinese, but not really when it comes to online gaming culture, sorry!

Its just a general problem with mixing regions like that, similar things could be said about russians in the EU region of CSGO etc..

to all those silent downvoting, I assume you havent played these battle royale games enough to experience what @cannedslime is discussing.

If you have, plz reply with why he's wrong.

@cannedslime: I pretty much agree with everything you state, except the "racist" part. They are just normal teenagers, griefing ppl they can't communicate with for Lulz.

I actually agree with you. Its just edgy teenagers. But god damn is it infuriating to get the same inhuman treatment time after time.

As someone who plays in an international server of World of Warcraft with a significant Chinese population, allow me to agree with you.

As an example, I speak languages other than English, but I wouldn't dare speak them in a public channel in the game because I know it's impolite. Chinese players didn't get that memo.

But this is part of the same thing as impolite Chinese tourists, etc. It's a cultural thing.

I don't think so, this looks like the mobile version of PUBG.

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