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From the article: - "The attack on this building was part of other offensive operations that took place after Hamas was alleged to have fired rockets into Israel over the weekend."

"Alleged", right, there were aliens firing rockets on Israel. There is nobody else to fire the rockets. Only Hamas has them. And placement of the "offensive" as a response on firing rockets at the Israel's civilians. Looks like this is very offensive to protect your civilians!

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The rule across all media is to always precede reports of Israeli killing of Palestinians in Gaza with a number of rockets, even if 24 hours before said rockets Israel has snipered unarmed protestors attempting to practise their Right of Return as guaranteed by UN Resolution 194. Anyone who has an iota of knowledge about what's going on there knows that continuous building of settlements by Israel and the daily harassment the Palestinians have to endure is the root of the problem.[0] I truly wonder if there's anyone who isn't completely ignorant on the issue, who still buys the zionist talking points.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU

this is such a long and convoluted conflict...

israel withdrew from gaza in 2005, but kept control of access points, air travel etc making gaza a weird place, partly under israel control.

hamas (basically a terrorist org) literally took over gaza from fatah (a nationalist party) in a war in 2007. then you’ve got the islamic jihadis, a bonafide terror org, which started taking over from hamas, in the same gaza strip.

both hamas and islamic jihadis want the annihilation of the state of israel.

i see no end in sight to the bloodshed, no matter how many civilians die.

but i do understand why people would side with israel when it comes to gaza, and side with the palestinians when it comes to occupied territories.

"this is such a long and convoluted conflict" - Not really, this is just a simple case of settler colonialism, anyone who claims that this is a "complex" conflict is either ignorant or deliberately trying to confuse people.

Recommended reading from Theodor Herzl (founding father of zionism) to Noam Chomsky (secular jewish intellectual) for those who are truly interested in the facts:

The Jewish State (Der Judenstaat), (1896) [https://archive.org/details/ajewishstateana00aviggoog]

On Palestine - Noam Chomsky [https://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Noam-Chomsky/dp/1608464709/...]

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe (jewish historian) [https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe...]

Usually people who see things as "simple" when most consider them complex are either extremely smart or extremely shallow. Providing Ilan Pappe as a serious source tells where you are in that range.

Chomsky, being wrong more often than right, is also a buffoon though he "sounds" smart.

I would hesitate to include Ilan Pappe in that list - his academic career is somewhat controversial.

https://newrepublic.com/article/85344/ilan-pappe-sloppy-dish...

> Not really, this is just a simple case of settler colonialism

wrong on so many level it's not even funny.

> israel withdrew from gaza in 2005, but kept control of access points

Why does Egypt blockade Gaza on their side? (serious q)

terrorism? gaza is a breeding ground...

You just throw in anti-Israel propaganda regardless to what I've just said. Any comment will do. And this is going beyond accusing the state. You say "zionist talking points", - this is a pure anti-Semitism.

Do you have any evidence that there were actually rockets fired from the building which housed the attackers?

If so, please solidify your point and contribute to the discussion by providing it.

Equating criticism of either Israel or Zionism with anti-Semitism does real disservice to the victims of actual anti-Semitism both past and present.

Do you really know there is a war in Israel? Did you see it? Do you even consider firing of hundreds of rockets at Jews a war?

Where exactly are your arguments tho? Accusing people of being anti-semitic neither makes them anti-semitic nor does it make you automatically right on the issue. The burden of proof is upon the accuser, you. The anti-semitism card really lost its power because you cried wolf falsely too many times, as illustrated here.

Using "zionist" as a derogatory term makes you a racist in a first place. And, because it shows your hatred towards jewish people, it make you anti-Semitic.

That's complete nonsense. Not that I used "zionist as a derogatory term" to being with, but even if I did, that wouldn't make me a racist, because zionism is a nationalistic ideology, you like to conflate with judaism in order to be able to silence any criticism of unjust actions by falsely accusing people of being anti-semitic. There are probably even more evangelical christian zionists than one might expect, does that make me christianophobic as well, or is the victimhood only reserved for people from your group? Either way, I love the jewish people, but I oppose injustice, your 'arguments' are really childish.

Opposing a state does not equate to having "hatred" of Jewish people.

To no surprise, Israel with its history and conception will warrant criticism and even disgust from anyone.

The same goes for any other state that acts similarly. My feeling are not exclusive to Israel, stealing land (to the degree of perfection) and oppressing minorities daily is pretty telling of Israels precieved superiority over others.

“Stealing land” is how, through economic disparity, most modern nations have been born and grown, has it not?

Now you two are moving the goalposts if this meta-thread.

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