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> There's actually plenty of room for that type of programmer personality

And how do you get into those jobs when even CS students still share the same culture? It goes back to the chart I mentioned:

http://www.randalolson.com/wp-content/uploads/percent-bachel...

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my father taught programming and CS-lite courses at a community college for decades. whatever culture the students have, it sure as hell isn't the valley one, or anything like i saw in university.

I'm not talking about valley culture, but, for example, liking star wars, XKCD, Tolkien, video games, etc.

Do the students in those community colleges share that as well?

i know what you're talking about, and no, his students didn't share that culture, or any other you're worried about. or probably any you've ever even seen unless you're from the rural south. in which case we wouldn't even be having this conversation in the first place.

At my old university, we were the kind of programmers that HN and the Valley in general loves to hate: bro-grammers.

Half the students were in a fraternity or sorority, and the engineering college as a whole had its own co-ed service fraternity.

Most common topics of discussion: beer, that last episode of Miami Vice, and trading tips on how to beg professors for server time so we can complete our final projects and graduate.

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