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> Hire a designer to make Lumina less ugly. Sorry I know that sounds harsh, but it looks very 2005.

I'm not trying to sound harsh and just have to respectfully disagree.

I don't use Lumina because I don't use DEs, but the looks of it are just right. It's not a regression like most "styles" these days where it's impossible to know half the time what's an interactive widget, or why suddenly the designers think large empty white spaces and large widgets and titlebars are a feature. If I'm at a desktop, I need a desktop environment, not a tablet experience.

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> I don't use Lumina because I don't use DEs [...]

In fairness, that probably means your preferences will be very different from those people who actually do use desktop environments.

I also think a lot of people (myself included) have a certain nostalgia for older, leaner desktop environments. That doesn't mean they can't be designed better, with more polish, using those same older design cues.

I failed to see how control panel was any better in each 95/xp/7/10, except that my enemies can't find anything in it just like me. I also fail to see how w7 explorer became more 'convenient' without up button (and changing backspace key to back) but with annoying Libraries that are not even folders. Or removal of quick launch, so that icons on our taskbars now float and you search for a button to start that app.

What you call polishing is just breaking familiar old-simple and building new-super-innovated-final-solution each year. Leave us power users alone, you hipsters!

> What you call polishing is just breaking familiar old-simple and building new-super-innovated-final-solution each year. Leave us power users alone, you hipsters!

I wish it was only confusing to power users. If it was actually intuitive to end users, it would have a justification. But no. I've yet to see a single user who can wrap their head around Windows 7's virtual libraries and why they're sometimes not acting like a real folder but most of the time do.

Well, I do use a DE (MATE), and I think the appearance of Lumina DE is just fine. What kind of "polish" do you find missing?

I don't want it to look like modern stuff, but it could use some tweaking and usability consistency improvements here and there. It's the whole 'papercuts' thing, nothing terrible, just a bunch of small issues (font sizes, click target issues, etc.)

Polish is probably what you're missing then.

My first language is English, and from the screenshots in the TrueOS handbook I'd also agree that it looks a little dated (although not particularly more so than most other open source desktop environments).

>> Polish is probably what you're missing then.

> My first language is English,

Did you just mix up polish, as in "polished ui", with Polish, the language of Poland?

Also, we all need to be using polish notation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_notation for better good

Yes.

Hopefully he doesn't also think that a totem pole is a guy from Poland who looks after a totem. :-)

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