Make this install on modern laptops. I'm tired of being recommended five year-old Thinkpads.
Fix those and I would consider overwriting my Ubuntu installation
I'm not trying to sound harsh and just have to respectfully disagree.
I don't use Lumina because I don't use DEs, but the looks of it are just right. It's not a regression like most "styles" these days where it's impossible to know half the time what's an interactive widget, or why suddenly the designers think large empty white spaces and large widgets and titlebars are a feature. If I'm at a desktop, I need a desktop environment, not a tablet experience.
> My first language is English,
Did you just mix up polish, as in "polished ui", with Polish, the language of Poland?
In fairness, that probably means your preferences will be very different from those people who actually do use desktop environments.
I also think a lot of people (myself included) have a certain nostalgia for older, leaner desktop environments. That doesn't mean they can't be designed better, with more polish, using those same older design cues.
What you call polishing is just breaking familiar old-simple and building new-super-innovated-final-solution each year. Leave us power users alone, you hipsters!
I wish it was only confusing to power users. If it was actually intuitive to end users, it would have a justification. But no. I've yet to see a single user who can wrap their head around Windows 7's virtual libraries and why they're sometimes not acting like a real folder but most of the time do.
I have literally no knowledge or opinion about Limina, but kinda with desktop UIs would attempt to be timeless rather than trying to follow the latest style fads.
What does that even mean in this context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn4vC80Pv6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXHFfc3btCI
[edit: left side scroll bar also]
At the time, I loved the digital librarian and menu system. After leaving and going back a few years later the WS seemed a little too dated for me. I use the context menus in BlackBox on my linux box. OS X seems to be my comfort zone now, which tends to color memory. Though I also found the IB/PB split much faster to work with. That's for sure.
You've got me fired up. I'm installing 4.2 ent in virtualbox now, which will be the newest version I've used :) Thank you!
I think some of the "dated" is that it wasn't very high resolution, or put another way, it really didn't get to evolve into the high resolution / anti-aliased world we live in today. I've seen multiple attempts at redoing the icons in a modern setting and many of them look great. I particularly like the old folders. The menus suffer from the same problem, but more from a modern font choice scenario.
For me, OS X stripped a lot of the NeXT goodness to appease Mac lovers. I'm just not a fan of a UI designed for a 9" screen that really should have a better menu system. Recently, I've seen some 3rd party software that simulates part of the old NeXTSTEP menu system. Sadly, it doesn't seem to do the tear-offs.
I guess OS X is loads better than Windows, but it sure isn't my favorite. My two big "not working" projects are an agent oriented programing language and some form of modernized NeXTSTEP UI on OpenBSD. Sadly, more likely to do the former rather than the later.
The dated part for me is having to setup the OS for some workflows that have come about since NS days. Some things for scroll wheels not getting recognized out of the box and other polish. WS is great, though I'd change the Drag and Drop just a little. My memory of WS must have tarnished or faded some over the years, because it was and is really easy to work with.
I'll likely install the developer cd this weekend.
Thanks, again, for getting me to reinstall.
On a side note, there are commercial projects that use GNUstep. I use Hopper, a disassembler, that uses GNUstep.
From the developer training I still remember one statement in particular, "Even if NS isn't around in a few years, there will be a company that deeply understands what we do and they will do it." I guess that prophetically was OS X (at least in part).
I haven't been able to figure out the networking. I have the ne2k driver, but it doesn't seem to install. I suppose the copy I have is somehow corrupted.
IMHO: come up with a set of initial will-thought-out UI design choices that follow an internal logic, then evolve thoughtfully (and conservatively) in a way that respects those choices.
That has the added bonus of not constantly invalidating people's investment in learning the desktop environment.
I would expect a environment that follows that would "look" similar in 2005 and 2015, and that wouldn't be a bad thing.
I want things to look very 2005 (or even 2001), which is why I use XFCE4 as a desktop environment on xorg / debian, and not a modern "fancy" thing like the latest gnome or KDE.
Though the only interface that I can qualify as timeless is maybe the PS2/3/4 interface XMB (10+ years and still basically the same).
This branch does carry the (work-in-progress) i915 driver updates that bring support for modern Intel graphics (Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake).
Hopefully now after recently hitting 1.0, someone spends some time making it a bit nicer looking (nicer being relative of course -- I tend to like simpler desktop designs).