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> short-term doping... Wait, what?

I realize the political nature of this topic, so please hear this question as sincere and not baiting / trolling: How is it a bail out if the government shut everything down to protect us from a pandemic? We’re intentionally pausing the economy, which will undoubtedly lead to a recession. Many of these companies were doing well financially prior to this disaster.

And I’m not defending AirBnB. I’m asking this about all companies. Isn’t this exactly the time our tax-funded government should step in and prop up successful companies, small, medium, and large.

New York has a tech response team that you can volunteer with to help out: https://www.ny.gov/programs/new-york-state-covid-19-technolo...

See HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22723098

Agree with this recommendation. Excellent book, great story. Very interesting career.

thanks for sharing this one! I love good radio stations. so hard to find down here in the deep south.

True, however, sometimes Slack is like if someone put the water cooler in your office, and then started having meetings around the water cooler in your office while you were working and then expected you to be even more productive.

I track my sleep with my Apple Watch (with an app obviously). I used Pillow (app) for a while, but recently I switched to AutoSleep (and I'm happy with the change). The app write up states that it tracks movement, but it doesn't really deliver direct data about movement. I think it does track sleep very well, and had allowed me to greatly improve my sleep health.

Well I’m hearing most people are going to get it anyway. With tests we can slow it down. We’re going to have to accept some risk though aren’t we? We can’t really afford to shut the whole economy down for several months. And if you look at Italy it doesn’t appear to working that well anyway.

At least with testing we can catch a large chunk of the asymptomatic spreaders and get control of this thing. But in a few weeks when this fist wave passes, we’re gonna all have to learn to mitigate risk with good hygiene and accept we may get it. Testing is our only hope to returning to normal life before we totally crush our economy.

It will be federally funded and state organized (over simplified but that the General idea)

Exactly. With mass testing options, we would be one solid plan away from getting back to some semblance of normal life. A combo of taking temp and testing those with fever, and the quarantining the sick, we could be confident in being in public again. I know this is critical but how long will we need to isolate if we don’t get medical intervention? Can our economy survive this kind of shut down for more than a few weeks?

Edit to say I’m all for flattening the curve, and I’m not a denier. But there are trade offs going on here. We aren’t rich enough to ride this out for several months without permanent systemic damage. I think tough questions are warranted

YES! This podcast got me through a very difficult time in my life. I had the perfect storm of social, family, and work related anxiety going a few years ago, and suddenly my health crashed. I was a total basket case! Insomnia made me the WORST decision maker I could possibly be. "Sleep With Me" gave me a place to go in my head where I found sleep again.

First of all, we're clearly going to bail them out, but my argument IS about whether we should. I'm an "all possible options" kind of guy. That is, no matter how extreme, I want to discuss and rule out as many options as I can on my way to making a decision. It's how I frame things in my brain when I'm deciding.

Secondly, I strongly agree with the main point you're making - that "we the people" should get equity in exchange for the bail out. When these companies bounce back in a few years we should all get a special refund the year we sell the equity back to industry. However, unless we're buying some HUGE stake, I don't think we should exercise the option of taking over the management of these businesses.

Our points are NOT mutually exclusive. The system is flawed, and always buckles under the pressure of a disaster. Yes, the flaws made it weaker and it is therefore buckling hard. But it's pretty clear that people are scared, and the market reflects that. If you're in doubt, take a quick look at the VIX and other volatility indicators.

EDIT: "Our points are NOT mutually exclusive" changed to add "NOT"

>you can always dodge the issue by saying "but we have too much going on right now for this".

I agree with this, which is why I'm looking for an honest conversation. Maybe THIS IS THE TIME to push back. I fully support direct political action in response to the bail outs, if "we the people" decide enough is enough. I just think we should do so thoughtfully, not emotionally.

>these strings get waived, ignored, litigated for years, etc.

Unfortunately we also allow that by being swept up by the next big emotional moment, and once we've been redirected to something else, the strings magically disappear.

Trust me, I am the LAST person to advocate corporate socialism. But I think this deserves an honest conversation. I really wonder what would happen if we didn't save the airlines. What would happen if we let an entire industry collapse under the weight of a natural disaster? (That's not a rhetorical question, I'm honestly asking). Wouldn't that cause a domino effect crashing through the whole system?

Don't get me wrong - I agree that it's terrible to have to continue bailing out greedy corporations. But is this the time to rebuild the system? I'm not so sure we can handle that on top of everything else going on.

We should attach all kinds of strings to this bailout, and then hold our representatives responsible for fixing this mess. But I'm not sure letting the whole thing collapse is the reasonable thing to do.

I like the look and feel of this. My wife is an amateur photographer and she’s been looking for a simple way to post / share outside of social media. Fun side project for the weekend setting this up!

I also put travel plans on hold, but went ahead with my job change. I’ve been planning it for months and couldn’t bring myself to call it off. Mine was less of a job change and more of leaving an overworked position to go back to small business ownership.

What made you decide to wait? Was it job-specific or are you in a place with an active outbreak?

Out of curiosity, how has your plan changed? We haven’t had our first case either but I’m sure it’s around the corner. My wife and I are working on our plan tonight. This is probably the last weekend we’ll have before it comes here.

Yes it’s a little harder but it’s SO MUCH BETTER than being unhealthy/ unfit. I’m not necessarily a natural athlete but I’ve almost always stayed in shape... until a few years ago. I was running long distance trail runs and I injured my leg. I had to cancel a few races and I slipped into a bit of a depression.

It took me a few years to get the courage and gumption up to get active again. Now that I’m older, it’s been much harder to get back in shape. And my recoveries (post- run or post-weights) take longer. But on the whole I feel so much better, all the time. My mood and my close relationships have all improved. And my work performance has improved too.

The mild discomfort has been well worth the pay off.

Is this the same old revolution, or a completely new one? Also I supposed it will be streamed not televised.

I agree, this is how I started. It was well worth a couple hundred dollars in losses 2 years ago to learn the fundamentals. I considered it the cost of learning that I've more than recovered.

Now I have a much larger account, and I'm trading / investing with a much lower risk profile, because of what I learned on my >$1000 account. I consider that the exact opposite of wasting time.

Not OP but I assume one gives assignments and receives to-dos.

I think you’re right that we’ll retest lows but I’m not sure that’s it’s elevator down time. However, we have been on a long run, and the machines are selling to lock in profits. Maybe we do keep going. Guess we’ll find out soon enough!

I strongly disagree with your Nike / sportswear comparison. Maybe I didn't communicate my point clearly here. I'm specifically talking about governance / political science vs. popcorn politics. There are plenty of real issues to be discussed in the world of political philosophy, public administration and government that don't involve stage shows and rabble rousing.

Starting with local politics first, then regional, THEN national - the question of who will govern us and set rules and make laws is of critical importance. What good does it do to solve the world's problems if our representatives are robbing the coffers and crashing the plane into the mountain?

This is my problem exactly. All this money, all these issues, and we're stuck with these clowns? Whatever happened to statesmen and women? Nope, we're stuck with politicians that act like pro wrestlers. We don't need to overthrow the government. We just need to overthrow the parties.

I had such high hopes for humanity with the emergence of the internet. With the all the world's knowledge at our fingertips, including detailed information about political fundraising, voting records, etc., it would be SO EASY to find and elect the "right" people.

I truly long for thoughtful discussions about real issues. I'm still holding out a little hope for the next great awakening.

True, and I agree it is bad. But I stand by my original comment. I believe all this happens far more often than we know right now. I predict we'll be finding out in the not so distant future that we've all been targeted and breached. All our data are belong to them.

(This is slightly off the topic of this story) Believe it or not this happens often. I work with R&D / high-tech small businesses that have 1-2 patents or some other IP. They provide services to the government but they aren't exactly flush with cash - meaning their infosec programs are slim. So they stay in contact with the FBI and other TLAs (three letter agencies) who will contact them from time to time to say "hey you may want to check your network, we think someone's broken in."

Basically the FBI is the internet police for these infrastructure / science / tech / etc. firms. It's not hard to understand why this information isn't out on the street more.

Wow this sounds eerily familiar as someone who walked away from “nondenominational” fundamentalism years ago. From my wedding, to how I’m raising my kids, to even my daily spiritual life - “we’re praying for you.” Thanks but no thanks.

Maybe anyone that walks away from family norms gets this. Maybe the more extreme/rigid the belief is, the stronger the reaction is?

It’s been a long time for me, and over time most people have accepted it on some level. Christmas time seems to be the worst... probably why I don’t even like the holidays that much anymore!

What would that look like? Can you provide a couple of specific pieces of hardware examples?

Am I being weird, or does this look like a shameless plug? Feels shady to me unless you're willing to disclose what you get out of this.