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To be fair, he's probably more fun at parties than the socially-challenged antifa squad downvoting me

Hong Kong is at the top - looks like that list will need to get updated soon.

To clarify, I'm not suggesting an outright ban - that would be a foreign policy gaffe of monumental proportions.

I also have no prejudice towards Chinese people, but I do feel that it is time for Americans to unite, realize that their is still hatred in the world (much of which is cultural), and toughen back up.

I definitely agree with what you're suggesting would be a great idea, but I'm not sure something like that could happen in the near future. I get the impression that the Democrats and their media have not entirely endorsed the trade war and anti-Sino policies as a means to point out Trump's incompetence and divisiveness, but that seems to be shifting. Washington probably doesn't want to escalate too much at any given time, as well, but meter it out slowly. I'm hoping that they do not buckle.

Last one regarding, for example, US developing a massive competitive advantage with the internet right after their housing market crash.

I won't debate any further because clearly I'm going to get downvoted for doing anything other than linking a business insider article on why chinese local debt is going to collapse tomorrow in the HN echo chamber. If you want to believe it's inevitable China is going to plateau in rapidly, by all means.

By the same token, there's no reason to think they'll fall anywhere near or under 5% in the near future. They have 1.5 billion people with a higher average IQ than the US with a strong educational culture, increasing economic opportunity with a lot of i's to dot in various industries, their per capita is still a fraction of that of a developed company, and there are another 1000 reasons to paint a fuller picture beyond my small sampling. In contrast, for example, Japan had less than half our population, didn't manage to steal all of our trade secrets, reached a high stage of development, and really didn't have anything revolutionary to offer.

I'm aware of what you're saying about the potential issues they're facing, but we really don't know how that will play out - it strikes me as western optimism.

That is true, but China is already setting the stage to assert itself as an imperial power.

I don't mean to come across as a sinophile - I don't want a hologram of Xi Jinping standing over me in 10 years, but, there is plenty of reason to worry and to not draw conclusions on whether or not they'll pull ahead or how quickly - that remains to be seen.

I don't think it's going far enough. There are several hundreds variables completely separating China and the USSR and Japan from a blanket comparison.

I would like to hope that they hit the breaks in the same way that Japan did, and there's certainly plenty of evidence that it's possible. However, if their model remains viable and they continue growing at the same rate, they'll certainly eclipse us in political and economic influence in 10-20 years at most - potentially technologically as well. I'm not sure that's even a disputable claim - it should be self evident. The question is if we'll suddenly outperform or if they'll hit a stumbling block, which remains to be seen.

I don't really see MAD as being a given, especially depending on if China or the US develops rapid technological advancements over the next few decades. I think it's a really unlikely idea to assume the nuke will be the great deterrent or equalizer for the rest of this century. China could easily conquer the planet if they pull sufficiently ahead in China, which is a fair possibility, looking at the current state of the US and Europe

It seems like he's come up with a very dubious dumbing down of why Germany went to war and appropriated it for his own reasons.

As an aside, it's interesting to watch how people on both sides of the aisle are jumping to find the rise of fascism in every nook and cranny of society. Sometimes, like here, it doesn't even seem to be an attempt at a political cudgel, which is the usual case. While I think most can agree FAANG is out of control, I'm not sure the fascism alarmism is a great approach.

That’s a very common term which he did not coin, so it’s ridiculous to ascribe that to him. Also- correct me if I’m wrong- when he uses it, it will be solely in regard to internet censorship & like activities, namely from Google/fb/Twitter, which has nothing to do with the wage discussion at hand.

First of all, the tech industry isn’t even part of Steve bannon’s platform- they’re only referring to unskilled labor from what I’ve seen - we’re not on their radar. Second, your casual brushing aside of an fair ideology conveys who the pseudo intellectual is. Third, we have been discussing wage collusion in the tech industry for the past decade- and we have direct evidence which you should research and educate yourself on.

I have no beef with anybody who has immigrated here and it’s disgusting you would make that assumption. I think this country should adopt a more protectionist stance. People hiring en masse overseas are more often than not benefiting themselves to the detriment of society- unfortunately Washington is asleep at the wheel.

This program needs to end. H1B a bandaid over our complete failure to provide a modern education and bring young people into STEM, while dually deflating middle class wages for the tech oligarchs across the industry for several decades. And, ironically, the Democrats, who should supposedly be protecting the middle class, have a blood pact with the SV elite.

Are you implying balkanization of the internet is a bad thing? An open internet seems like a stoner hippie concept - as it stands currently, we're playing around in an open field while China has built a fortress next door and is lobbing rocks down on us.

I agree it’s not a new phenomena and never said that it was. I’d argue that our news was historically fair-minded up until the recent mass-scale polarization.

There's no shortage of people who share that same "belief", but would end up writing down a different and conflicting list of people than you, with no loss of accuracy

News should only be taken with a grain of salt in 2018

False positives probably aren't a huge concern over in Putinville

Exactly

That sounds like the renaissance we've all been waiting for. Every would-be entrepreneur's wet dream is a $20/month subscription for Facebook.