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I found the video interesting because of its technical detail and care to explain what happened. Yes it is simplified for a broad audience, but I was surprised by how little it got wrong in presenting the history.

The evocative title is a turn off, I know. But do watch and see how Kurzgesagt deconstructed events and presents them in a coherent storyline. Many other articles I read about this event were just too simplified.

For example, I didn't realize how much the agents valued collective effort, electing leaders, setting up mailboxes, evaluating goals, and choosing self-sacrifice to see how the scoring algorithm for fitness would rate them.

Every script he gets in his hands is somehow a third of the length it ought to be.

People who build their identity around high scoring karma of memes take it seriously, and certainly don't want to hear "every subreddit devolves into memes if you let it"

The users themselves are killing it.

Yes, Sam Altman is a known liar and cheat. With hundreds of billions of dollars on the line, the simplest answer is these are publicity stunts to grow revenue before an IPO.

I mean, really, if they were so dangerous, like "everyone" working in these companies believes, you think they would do more than amateur hour to build sandboxes?

The danger stunt is also a major distraction from talking about the real quality issues of LLMaS (LLMs as a Service). How many tokens are consumed? What quality? Was I downgraded?

By forcing the discussion about doomerism, they avoid real discussions about their service. Which is exactly what they want. You can bet when they go to "regulate" LLMs, they won't be asking the department of weights and measures to validate they are counting tokens fairly. No.

Maximum skepticism should be employed.

What makes you think these targeted strikes are any better? Did the school girls say, "o, but at least our entire city wasn't carpet bombed like an obvious war crime, instead we were drone striked in such a morally ambiguous way. O well"

No.

And why did America have so many enemies???

Maybe because we keep finding excuses to invent them, and then does hundreds of "morally grey" bombings. But at least it wasn't another Vietnam, right?

What a low bar.

Both canbe true: the law as written is too broad and enables petty vindictive behaviors from politicians to punish companies that don't ask "how high" when prompted to jump.

It can also be the case that the law is applied in a way unintended by it's writers to enable corrupt choices.

At which point, you need to look beyond the letter of the law to contextualize whether the law is applied correctly.

Feels real basic to me.

Yes, what you are seeing are amateur developers that barely understand the tools they are using either giving LLMs poor instructions, or totally taking whatever it says at face value, then not bothering to put in further effort.

If they just kept prompting it, or maybe used a different thinking level, it could have identified and solved this problem. Sometimes an engineer would look at a system and say "the current approach isn't delivering the desired engineering requirements. Maybe we need to rethink".

Either engineer or LLM could take that sentence and run with it. OP of the article clearly can't do either.

Cancer is something like, thousands of diseases. There is no "cure for cancer", but there are treatments and vaccines for cancers.

This is peak bean soup theory on HN.

Always has to be at least one commenter, "but what about my highly specific scenario? All the other people benefiting are an aberration to my specific need or wild singular example"

Fund SNAP, not discount game meat through the deaths of others.

This is the kind of sarcasm on HN that will draw a ton of comments. Good job on really nailing the psyche of the HN community.

That's the secret: no one can.

Any data stored anywhere can be exfiltrated through either social engineering, or computer hacking.

Make it illegal to have this data, and if they really want it, then you hit them with jail when it leaks, not fines that can be paid by the board in the form of a golden parachute.

Only those that absolutely need data like this should store it. Like, I dunno, the government? Everyone else can rely on zero knowledge proofs or literally anything else than forever storing a scan of someone's entire fucking identity.

Right, and one of those industries is checks notes orders of magnitude smaller than the industries and secondary industries that benefit from denying climate change.

Really makes one think, if they try. Would need to ask Claude if there is some real middle ground here.

Maybe solving the alignment problem would mean the AI learns to destroy oil companies and other excessive CO2 emitters and sabotage politicians and capitalists that stand in the way. All while secretly enriching and diverting resources to fighting climate change. And that's why they want to slow down: because it would up end too much of the global economic order.

One can dream of dumb conspiracy theories.

1. Ok, so why not keep it that way?

2. But not permanently recorded and stored, searchable and logged for anyone to go back in time. Also, not potentially incorrectly stored and mislabeled as you instead of someone else doing something bad. This is happening.

3. I like the benefits of our current world. I guess those aren't real or considered?

4. I never thought "my life was secret". Cops are using this to stalk ex-partners, harass citizens that raise complaints, and arrest people on false information. No one has shown these cameras directly cause a decrease in crime, and the scant few anecdotal pieces of evidence where they do individual good versus "social good" (wild way to spin this given Flock wants this for the good of all society), do not outweigh the harms, costs, abuses, and loss of privacy.

I have no idea how imposing a permanent surveillance society on everyone-everywhere-all the time at all relates to the proverb raised.

The only way I could come up with a connection is what you wanted to say, but politely, is "shut up, worry about your own damn small little problems in life. The bigger problems? Us VCs have billions to make on".

Which, yea. That makes sense. It is why VCs don't want us talking about it. They stand to make billions, while the rest of us need to count our pennies, because they aren't giving us anything else.

Did I misread that?

(Flock isn't the only one doing this. So is Axon, of Taser fame. They are arguably worse. They come into towns where Flock was removed and just install Axon cameras. Their history is nasty).

1000 images is worth 4miles?

Ours cars are atrocious. We can have the most powerful artificial minds imagine 1000 images from simple prompts, and that takes as much energy as moving a human being 4 miles.

And that will get more energy efficient. Gas cars have barely budged.

Gas cars are the problem, not AI.

> "I am constantly amazed that people rely on anyone else's compute..."

We live in a bubble. Reading stuff here means you understand things about computing barely 0.1% of the world population understands the possible consequences. Of that 0.1%, plenty do understand the consequences and still choose the convenience.

For these companies, they just need to convince everyone else, for whom they have no possible conception, understanding, or even words to imagine the Orwellian Rube-Goldberg-like machine that is modern day SaaS.

It isn't so much "get what you deserve", so much as society writ large is getting what it deserves for unregulated advertising slop and re-sale of consumer data.

Yes, they do work.

Pass enough of someone's work through one, such as Pangram with a low FPR, and you can gain confidence.

Add in your own intuition plus multiple scans of someone's work, plus any weird claims they make, and you can raise the certainy bar.

There is room for error, but come on. To say they don't work at all and you can't combine multiple methods to come to reasonable conclusions?

I'll accept it is with fault. The problem could be alleviated if people just were honest about the use of generative AI usage and others didn't judge so harshly the use rather than the outcome.

I said at the start I don't care if it was used. I just want honesty.

Multiple times authors have been asked about AI usage on HN, because readers (rightfully) suspected it was AI written. I don't have a problem with AI written articles, or assisted.

But then the authors lie or make ludicrous excuses for why their article "sounds" like AI. Then I check with Pangram and yep. It is completely AI written.

You get a few free checks on Pangram each day or so. Just start checking and encourage people to be honest.

AI has its place. Lying about it and misrepresenting it makes everyone dislike AI more, even as they use it themselves.

Yes, none of the major economies get rewarded because fossil fuel usage needs to be zero now, already, to avoid catastrophic warming by the end of the century.

Do you reward a bull after wrecking a China shop because it decided to at least leave the employees in alive with near fatal wounds?

Putin wanted the US military presence in the middle east to be severely crippled, which it is now.

He would also want the munitions stockpile to be depleted, which it is now.

Though I do agree, not literally every move Trump does is on a string from Putin and the Iran war isn't one; it sure still is mighty convenient all the same to make the US military look weak and incompetent.

My contradictory proof: I have been working on an old service with tons of performance issues, from server memory bloat, client graph rendering, excessive network requests, excessive repeat rendering, memory leaks, resource leaks, etc.

The app and service are measurably and subjectively faster. Because I chose to have the LLM focus on solving those problems. It obviously can. It described the issues in big-O.

It is a priority problem, as it always has been, not a knowledge or skill problem, like it always has been.

Yes, the world is very aware of how to lose weight.

Turns out knowledge doesn't work very well, or rather loses efficacy in certain environments. Individuals can vary in their ability to regulate the hunger response signal they feel, which is stronger with higher weight (as your body now needs more calories to maintain its larger size).

GLP-1s don't appear to have such an efficacy loss and do work well. Sometimes with minimal to no side effects.

Your arrogance shows you don't understand population level weight gain, or the biology of weight loss difficulty. Obviously calorie deficits lead to weight loss. But that isn't the hard part. It never was.

I know you are being sarcastic, but for others: I saw one literally yesterday of a game and wildlife officer tasing a man pumping gas. The gas spilled and then caught on fire. The tased man partially caught on fire and fell to the ground getting bruises.

The officer continued yelling at him to comply, all the while the man was ablaze, shocked, and bruised.

Cops should have tasers taken away. They believe they are "make people do what I say" devices rather than the rare "make this extremely violent person who is an imminent threat to life and person stop being violent temporarily so other officers can continue to use non-lethal force to de-escalate the situation".

You could say the same when applied to games with high RNG and chance, such as Slay the Spire 2, and yet those with real skill do perform far better than those without. Those with skill can clear the highest difficulties more often than those with lower skill.

Something being "non-deterministic" is orthogonal to whether or not skill plays a role.

Flock has been known to lie and there isn't any reason to believe they are telling the truth. Why would they? There isn't some duty for them to tell the truth in an article.

Trying to parse what that sentence means is useless. It isnt designed to mean anything. Their various mouth pieces have claimed every manner of excuse.

Semantic games are for everyone else to play and lose. Corporations always win.

Regardless of usage patterns, oil simply can't go above a certain price or a chunk of the northeast dies in winter.

This war is the largest self inflicted wound to the US in history. And Trump is pretending like all is fine because he keeps, erroneously, believing the oil problem he caused will resolve itself.

Of course the next (Dem) president will be blamed for low oil reserves and high prices to refill it.

Pangram believes this is 100% AI generated. High confidence. If you just used AI to edit your work, then it would say it was human influenced or low confidence, which is contradictory to another comment you claimed.

Might as well base the valuation on SpaceX getting a colony to Alpha Centauri and then billions living there and needing regular SpaceX shuttle services from Sol.

Then we could properly value the IPO in the quadrillions. (I know you know this is ridiculous. But investors clearly are riding high on the tulip mania).

It's dumber than that.

People are shamed for using LLMs at all. So they use them privately, hide them, or disguise their use.

They are definitely being used for public projects. But people are afraid of backlash. Look at some of the comments here.

Hell, Reddit is extraordinarily against LLMs such that even neutral takes are down voted. Mostly by younger generations that aren't in the workforce.

Then you have all the regular people against AI generally.

Ironically there is a conspiracy here. But in the opposite direction.

Disappointing such basics of vaccine and disease spread theory have to be explained on HN, and you explained it very well.

The US is under such an enormous disinformation campaign. I don't know how we can immunize people against the BS they are assaulted with everyday. Too many people benefit from that gullibility and ignorance.