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Folks who design products that are trying to protect privacy should do their absolute best to sand down the sharp edges and make them secure-by-default wherever possible.
Is there a clear definition between handing over data they have and being compelled to make modifications in order to intercept?
If you’re trying to evade LE because it’s illegal to be gay in your country, and you get caught because you’d listed an Apple address in your ProtonMail account - can’t we design better products to make this less likely?
There’s a reasonable chance that they already had this info (possibly even cleartext email via an ISP lawful intercept), and the proton/apple jig whilst bad, wasn’t as bad as the real source
True, but they can trivially obtain them given they control everything in the browser.
The question then becomes, does the law allow compelling to that degree? Apple fought back in the San Bruno case, but they’re very well lawyered up
And therein lies the problem. We on HN may have a few ideas about how to do this, but the typical user of a secure email/VPN/tor unfortunately doesn’t and realistically can’t understand the corner cases and tricks.
Realistically, even HN users would make enough mistakes.
This is why I’m dubious of these types of products marketing to average consumers
A modern version of this: https://github.com/grugq/portal
Please show me evidence to back this up and I’ll happily walk back my statements.
The “mullvad” browser is not their VPN product. And if you think DNS denylisting prevents “ad networks from spying on you”, I have some unfortunate news for you. It works to prevent the rendering of a subset of ads (especially in the browser), but isn’t worth a damn for actual behavioral analysis.
1) there is precedent for Microsoft doing a strong 180 when it comes to security, driven by the original trustworthy computing memo of 2002. We’ll see if Satya means this level or not
2) it looks like they’re being hurt by the most important motivator of all: money. If they don’t tidy up their act fast, govt and industry will come down hard on them. The US is losing the cyber persistence game to China and it’s a national security risk
Edit: precedent/president
A massive horizontal effort like this is especially challenging after accruing substantial security debt over years
> The NYC subway ads state that they save you from online web ad systems; blatantly false.
> The NYC subway ads state that they save you from online web ad systems; blatantly false.
The browser piece is doing almost all of the work against ad networks, isn’t it?
Which part of defense against ad networks does a VPN contribute to?
That copy should’ve never made it past basic checks for legitimacy.
Or alternatively: feel free to describe to HN how Mulvad protects users against ad networks.
They’ve made some claims that are downright lies, I chuckle at the idea anyone would trust them.
The NYC subway ads state that they save you from online web ad systems; blatantly false.
I’ll take a photo next time I see the ad to store away.
Is there political corruption and abuse that keeps you there?
I may wish it weren’t that way, but I’m playing the game.
I use a gmail email as my login
I wouldn’t want to be a Microsoft account executive on the US govt contract right now; they’re about to have a massive load of additional requirements.
And if they don’t play ball, possibly antitrust to weaken their stranglehold on being the only real enterprise player.
I’m not saying any of this is the right approach, but it’s a tool in the governments toolbox.
I don’t literally mean retool a conventional production line in one night