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It's not in my name even there.

Thank you. The site domain is technically not owned by me anymore. The hosting provider has not been a problem.

It is the USA that I'm having problems with, Cloudflare a US company about to hand over my details to a UK based private individual.

I have now removed the post.

I reported on what I saw. It is not the sites finest hour and not what I set it up to do. There were also other people emailing in saying it happened to them. Unfortunately they had no evidence. The evidence was someone saying he did that on a public Facebook post that anyone could access.

Not at all. It was appropriate that allegations were brought to the fore so that they could be investigated by those appropriate. He chose to end his career by not standing. Would you say that about a national newspaper finding a clear allegation about a politician or celebrity and publishing it in the public interest?

I understand about the contact thing. They have had contact with me directly and via my host and Cloudflare. They have asked for information about the account from the time their story was published up until now. So it's not just about that. They can contact me, they just aren't getting the response they want.

I looked at monetising. It wasn't what I wanted to do. The cause was more important to me. It entered a phase where as someone below said, it became a 'gossip rag'. But then it grew up and started being a trusted source in the town it serves. I never imagined I would have to go to the lengths criminals do just to keep me safe from my opinions.

At least in the UK a lawyer would tell him whether he had a case or not. At least I'd be dealing with the UK court system where I have some chance of understanding it. I also have legal insurance. I do not genuinely believe it would get to court. Cloudflare just handing over details is just chilling. They could have just asked me to take the content down.

It was a clear as day allegation made by someone for everyone to see. There was no more research to do.

In fairness it was not what the blog was set up to do and have since reverted to cause. I was going to take the articles down but after being harassed felt less inclined.

I'd tell you on here but it might make my post here a bit too obvious as the person knows who they are.

It looks like they filed it themselves and are not using lawyers.

I intend to get off Cloudflare if they are going to behave like this.

The Register are actually doing a story on it tomorrow I hope.

Flagged? In what way?

I did think about blogging about it. Unfortunately I don't think it will help.

No, but you wouldn't expect them to just hand over a users data just because some individual doesn't like the opinion someone has of them. There are consequences for free speech I totally understand that. Unfortunately the consequences for me are not going to be good.

In what way? Unfortunately this is a last ditch desperate attempt. I've seen the CEO post here and thought I had to take the shot.

I used Njalla for my domain. I was going to move off Cloudflare but I shouldn't have used it from the start. I never imagined they would just roll over to a court order given they don't host the content.

I'd rather not give my money to any of them! I realise you're probably being ironic given the whole USA free speech thing.

Thanks I will contact them. I've lost count of how many organisations I've contacted. This lies with Cloudflare really to bat it back and say this isn't right.

Cloudflare is the middleman to my site. The individual got a court to issue a subpoena to Cloudflare, a US based company to find out the identity of the operators of the site.

Exactly. They're treating their customers with contempt by not at least pushing back. It almost seems like this is all automated and they don't care unless you're an enterprise customer.

Thanks. I'm with Njalla for the domain now. I didn't imagine I'd ever need to go to these lengths for a political blog.

Yeah I really regret using Cloudflare. It was in the back of my mind that they could 'throw me under the bus' to use a British colloquialism.

I'm amazed that this can happen so easily in the US. I realise the US courts probably don't care about UK citizens, but free speech is free speech. I realise that's not without consequence, there's been nothing untrue said about this individual to warrant this action.

The subpoena has been issued against Cloudflare in the US in a California court. I have a copy of the subpoena that states they must hand over information that identifies the person behind the site.

I did not expect a subpoena to be issued in the first place, without any test to see if the person has a valid claim.

Normally lawyers expect payment up front. All I want is a motion to quash.

I understand his family have already seen it and it has caused him to not stand in another election. It was not the intention of the site to harm him. In fact the allegations were possibly going to be used to harm him if we hadn't got hold of it.

My host has been amazing. They're based in Europe and have told the person they have no right to ask for information and they will not give it. The individual has got nowhere in that European country, but the USA where free speech is guaranteed has just let him get his way.

I realise opsec was lax on the Cloudflare side but I never imagined they would do this with no questions asked.

Technically you are right. We do have free speech but not quite like the USA. I have been advised by police here that if a statement is true or the opinions are genuine beliefs of the person making them, then you are not breaking the law. As a civil matter, this has not even been challenged in the US by the court to see if they had a case.

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No I can still reach it. It is using Cloudflare still and there's been no report.

It is meant to challenge everyone outside of the UK for security.

Unfortunately the post disappeared from Facebook and the person is uncontactable.

I'm unfortunately not that important as a customer for Cloudflare to care. But it is rather chilling that they won't defend free speech.

I really do not understand why. Cloudflare only gave me a week to intervene and get counsel. I have asked them to delay. Everyone I've contacted law firm wise say they're not in a position to help. I've also contacted the EFF and they've provided recommendations to me who have turned out not to be able to help for various reasons. There's been a few on holiday, some say they've not got enough time, or too much work on.