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vutnlushaetoc··on No one knows why the most used spacecraft propulsion system works
> The propellant is extremely rarified and not particularly hot

Doesn't matter, nothing changes. If you have a strange effect something is confining. If you don't know how it is confining you have to entertain all possibilities so you need the stats at each phase

These trees aren't very dense or hot and they can't touch for the same reason. Every leaf that falls from the edge has to be replaced at the center. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_shyness

Near the Quanta things get discrete so coagulation gets chunky, but nothing changes in principle even down at 10^-3 Torr. In fact, the high-pressure, higher-heat phases of Hydrogen aren't that interesting, but the high-heat "moderate" pressure ones are. There is no escape from consequences of the material itself.

> The propellant is extremely rarified and not particularly hot

This type of statement is where you hide blind spots from yourself. You are going to extreme effort to confine, detonate, an exhaust fuel at just the right time. I would wake up everyday asking, how is my fuel less like a rarified gas and more like a hot, dense fluid. Like, your answer is in some tricky phase of the noble gases. There will be some kind of confinement or effective erasure of expected confinement. It will look like all secondary effects once you discover it, like, "oh, neat phase, water also expands when it freezes, now it makes sense". Why is this whole topic mystified? It seems only as hard to understand as air conditioning.

vutnlushaetoc··on No one knows why the most used spacecraft propulsion system works
The phase diagram of Xenon or Argon. The latest studies for hydrogen are wild. Several newly understood lattices, metallic and liquid-metallic transitions in very narrow bands. Understanding the phase effects is the whole task, no? So, measure, measure, measure, tune, tune, tune, no?

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dima-Bolmatov/publicati...

vutnlushaetoc··on No one knows why the most used spacecraft propulsion system works
> and we have an idea what it is

I mean, it's on the phrase diagram. The answer will be the statistics of stable orbits at heat and pressure. Any gradient or annulus in a phase diagram is going to mean that there will be potential for rapid "phase" changes in all directions. Isn't this all just to say that you need instruments, instruments, instruments? You know where to look, what it is doing and why (you have guesses, you'll 'get it' when you see the final answer). Is this blog post not mystifying it instead of saying that's it's cool and we know where to look to make it better?

vutnlushaetoc··on No one knows why the most used spacecraft propulsion system works
These thrusters need fuel to move. That ends the fun on this line of inquiry. There is no free ride (unless you sail around very slowly, but this is more like sucking Earth's wake in style)
vutnlushaetoc··on No one knows why the most used spacecraft propulsion system works
> extremely sensitive to the choice of anomalous transport parameter in certain parts of the discharge, but completely insensitive to it in other parts of the discharge.

When you find it, will it not likely be a secondary electromagnetic condition is affecting the permittivity and permissibility of materials in a way that was not previously anticipated? Like, this problem is "understood", right? You know where to look and likely what it will be? The fact Hall Thrusters work with fuel of very small mass, it doesn't seem to change the nature of the problem: detonation and fluid (plasma) dynamics.