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>>> I think it's tangential to the safety question -- actually-existing commercial GMO crops have been tested and demonstrated to be safe, that seems to be clear.

Actually, it's not that clear. They have been proven to not be unsafe, which arguably is a lot easier. But a lot of countries still ban them specifically because the "safe" part wasn't proven. Obviously this depends on the crop, as GMO means a lot of different things.

So are many countries in Europe. Look at East vs West Germany or Catalonia vs Extremadura

The book also says how that world was incredibly violent and unsympathetic to the elderly/sick.

> Yes they would go bankrupt or move production or automate...like I said originally.

Yes you did. Did you miss the part where I replied to that?

> Perhaps this results in less jobs in the economy and the low skilled get paid less, the economy shrinks and every one gets poorer?

I'm sorry but what are you talking about?

Shitty companies going bankrupt does not mean less jobs or lower wages, in fact the opposite. It's natural and a good thing in a free market. So I don't know what you are on about here.

> There is an interaction between immigration and wage growth but it is not a simple or linear one.

Oh for sure. Immigration can definitely increase wages and the economy and create jobs. But you forgot the low skilled part.

Look, this thread has gone long enough and you're not addressing most of the things I write, so I don't see the point of this.

All I wanted was to clarify that the UK did not in fact have any power to limit freedom of movement of workers from the EU, that's it. I never wanted to argue about anything else.

So you're not actually answering the topic at hand or the majority of my replies... OK.

> If this new labour force had not appeared are you seriously suggesting that UK employers would just have paid more and more to attract workers from other sectors?

Yes?! That's how it works... You literally agreed in your previous comment that part of the reason for wage stagnation was the extra new labour force.

> How would they remain competitive?

The same way they were competitive before 2004 I guess.

If your company relies on low skilled manual labourers working 12h a day for minimum wage or you go bankrupt... You should go bankrupt. It stops you from modernising and increasing productivity long term.

Probably but we're talking about the UK here.

> Britain chose not to exercise this right in the first place, so it seems fallacious to suggest that the government would exercise further restrictions if it could.

It's not fallacious and the UK did do that [0] for 7 years after they realised that the A8 migration estimates were incredibly wrong.

> In the UK, despite all of this immigration we have rather low rates of unemployment, marginally lower than before the 2004 expansion of the EU

First of all, no one here said immigration is causing unemployment, just wage stagnation for certain industries.

Second of all, it's not "counterintuitive", immigrants tend to move to areas with low unemployment so I would expect the above to be the case anyway. Most immigrants wouldn't come if there were no jobs.

> This soon hits the point in the modern globalised world that the industry just becomes uncompetetive and closes down, outsources, invests in labour reducing machinery, or moves

But that's not what's happening here, as you said, the jobs are still here (low unemployment). They're not automated or outsourced, they're done manually for minimum wage (or lower) by hard working immigrants from poorer countries.

I have to say, you kind of changed the topic. We were discussing about the existence of limitations for low skilled workforce, not whether or not Brexit was a good idea.

[0] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25565302

While I agree with you in general, you're just describing the hassle of moving, which has nothing to do with the EU.

Requiring a work permit for EU citizens (like the UK did) is a better example of a bureaucracy designed to limit immigration but that doesn't generally fly with the EU.

I'm sorry but we're not talking about unemployed people on benefits, we're talking about low skilled workers who pay taxes and are exercising their right to free movement. Emphasis on "right".

Baring a few exceptional cases such as criminal activity, I am not aware of any limitations the UK can implement to control this (for now).

> Except we already have the powers to stop this low-wage immigration. The EU allows member countries full ability to protect their borders from these immigrants, we just choose not to.

How can that be? Doesn't freedom of movement imply freedom to live and work wherever you want?

>>> Why the hell isn’t there a simple “download now, pay if you keep more than 4 hours” kind of option, for example?

There is on Google Play but the window is only 2h.

>>> I personally see the lack of women in STEM in Western countries as a good thing, it means that they are doing well economically and don't have to deal with the tedious STEM education and workload.

I personally would like the same freedom applied to men.

>>> Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women.

>>> I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate

I mean seriously, the answer is in your own comment.

Edit: I don't understand the downvotes.

His own comment implies income is an important factor to attractiveness for men then asks why is that a patriarchal thing. I'm not being patronising but it's obvious that it's expected for the man to be the bread winner which is patriarchal in nature. The man doesn't have to be the bread winner.

Why isn't a high income woman attractive?

>>> In richer countries you are more inclined to choose careers based on your personal preferences and less on for the paycheck

The same is true for men though.

But this is about application or user specific config.

In my experience, those tend to be either json, yml or plain terminal args regardless of the fact that the language is typed or not.

Am I missing something?

>>> So, yeah. Its an epidemic. Kids don't need technology

How will they get interested in technology then. I suspect a lot of HH readers got into tech by actually using it first, either websites or games or whatever.

If you truly have equality of choice in any system you will get equality of outcome. There's obviously outside factors at play.

"Those people" you mention say it's cultural, other people like you say it's... I don't know honestly...

The only problem is that you don't see this outside western countries. Countries with much stricter gender roles have much higher enrolment in STEM for instance. It's obviously not biological, it's cultural.

Yeah but... It's still a chicken curry every day...

Don't get me wrong, it's just my opinion. I would get bored, I can't talk about other people.

I understand what you're saying but I have a hard time believing you eat the same thing every day without getting bored.

>>> Crypto actually proves that money doesn't need to be backed by anything.

Well no, since it's not used as currency in any meaningful scale.

>>> He campaigned against it all around the country before the referendum.

He absolutely did not nor did he participate in any of the public debates prior to the referendum. He strategically remained quiet.

Where's "here"?

Don't you have health insurance? How is that different?

>>> If you make $50,000 per year in the US, which is the median full-time wage

That's household wage, not full time wage.

I'm confused about the top 1/3 references. You're not comparing like with like at all.

Are you under the impression private insurance is inaccessible to the top 1/3 of Canada?

>>> But equally europe needs more appreciation of self-reliance and entrepreneurship to enable a richer startup culture and let the EU become an economic leader instead of follower

Isn't the EU the biggest economy in the world? For now at least, Brexit and all that...

I'm not agreeing with the grandparent either but I do have to admit that once carriers subsidised the iPhone, the sales skyrocketed. It can't be a coincidence.

Not physical paper, but you can download all the data they have on you at any time if you want.

Because debt is fueled by interest, and Bitcoin is deflationary by design. So there's no interest to give loans in Bitcoin.

I personally don't think offering discount contracts for specific services violates NN. As long as services are all accesibile at all time at the same speed, that's NN.

Whether it's free Spotify streaming or free Spotify membership or free iPhone offered with your contract (Vodafone UK does all three) ... They're all the same and nothing to do with NN in my mind.

As long as all data streams the same at all time. Everything else is just marketing and sale offers.