Venezuelan Hyperinflation Explodes, Soaring Over 440,000 Percent
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Money is a purely social construct. It's only worth something when people collectively believe and trust that it's worth something.
It's a popular idea that dollars and euros derive their value because taxes are paid in that currency, or because it's backed by the state's military power.
Venezuela shows that neither of these are the source of the currency's value.
Collective belief is a pretty fragile foundation to build an economy on, hard to build and easy to destroy.
Another term for "collective belief" is "consensus". We're witnessing a disintegration of political and economic consensus not only in Venezuela, but also in the US.
What happens to the dollar when public consensus, trust and collective belief is weakened?
This is why I find the decentralized, trustless consensus of cryptocurrencies to be especially attractive at this moment in history.
Also, don't see how it would be the case that Americans or others lose faith in the dollar? Imagine tomorrow that it is revealed that the most core systems in the financial and banking industry were hacked 10 years ago and have been extensively manipulated by, say, Goldman Sachs. Or Walmart. Or whoever. Basically, any bank who says "there are 2 billion dollars in that account" fundamentally can't prove it. What then? When Walmart says 'we made $5 billion last year' and the rest of the world says 'prove it, and no we don't trust your funny-money IT systems'... what do we do then?
This, IMO, is what economic bubbles are predicated upon. It's hard to build value in our economy as more people are pushed to the side, so let's give away home loans and tether people in with good feelings, based upon poor reasoning!
It started with an arbitrary collective belief; we all just want nuclear family type lives in these all-services included by nearby strip mall, burb communities. Which is ... patently untrue. But people need a home so if that's where the action is!
And some quaint or wonk starts to see through this with data, and invents credit default swaps.
It's a crappy example; I'm tired, no coffee, and this is HN, not some economic summit, the kernel of truth I believe is there is this: Bubbles are the result of pushing social norms into the purview of utilitarian decision making for the species as a whole.
It wasn't a fleeting belief that caused Venezuela's hyperinflation, it was dutch disease wiping out most of their industry followed by oil prices plunging while demand for real goods and services remained static.
The level of spending outstripped the economy's ability to deliver, because the output of that economy is largely oil and oil suddenly wasn't worth very much any more (for reasons that had very little to do with venezuela).
Venezuela would be fucked for this reason with or without hyperinflation. Hyperinflation is simply a side effect of what they're going through. Gold-link their currency and people would be in just as much poverty thanks to their main export tanking - quite possibly even more.
(An interesting lesson to take from the incredible energy consumption of Bitcoin is just how much trust is worth)
I'm not talking about inflation, I'm talking about political stability.
As we see in Venezuela, runaway inflation and economic collapse is the result of political instability and a collective loss of trust in leadership, not the cause.
US influence and power has been in decline since before 9/11, and the Iraq war showed that the US is on the wrong side of the inflection point.
This chart [0] demonstrates that the G-Zero [1] trend is accelerating.
[0] Global Leadership https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT1e0feVoAA8Qd0.jpg:large
[1] G-Zero World https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2011-01-31/g-zero-wo...
Of course, all good things come to an end eventually, and the US dollar hegemony really started after WW2. Crazy to think that a Soviet spy/asset (Harry Dexter White) helped setup the Bretton Woods accord which positioned the US dollar as the strongest in the world [0].
[0] "How a Soviet spy outmaneuvered John Maynard Keynes to ensure U.S. financial dominance" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/03/14/how-a...
You may not need to trust that the central bank won't fire up its printing press, true. But you're absolutely trusting that someone somewhere will want to exchange your bitcoins for something other than bitcoins, and there's no inherent reason why they would.
I was replying to an argument that cryptocurrencies are superior to state-issued fiat because they don't require trust. IMO this is nonsense. Using anything with zero intrinsic value as a store of value is a gigantic leap of faith.
I trust USD issuing, the federal reserve, and American military for the most part (so does wall St, EU, Japan, and China).
They're just getting ready to take that system down to patch the WannaCry vulnerabilities, so you might want to check it quickly. They're not sure how long until they're back up.
Why do I trust it? Because it continues to work, can it fail? Sure, but there is little incentive for those in power to mess around as it would jeopardize the system.
> The money that never exists in any form other than on some computers
I'm not going to get into how money works - but your statement could be said about crypto, it only exists on some computer right? Just because it never existed before doesn't mean it won't have utility.
I think the legal system is the real place to fix things - there are certain mechanisms which influence how wealth works its way through the system. At the moment its misbalanced. It has little to do with the USD (well I benefit from USD, perhaps little countries elsewhere have a gripe with it).
The incentive for them does not extend to you, as illustrated in 2008. They fail, you pay.
Do you realize in our current economic climate that your dollar today is more valuable than the same dollar in 10 years? Would you like it to appreciate/depreciate in value as time goes on?
Bitcoin is a perfect hedge against the issues of state-issued currency.
The more likely it is for the institution to fail as the result of malfeasance, the more certain it is that any malfeasance would be covered up quickly and thoroughly.
Those systems also probably have more humans carefully monitoring their daily operation than any other kind of system anywhere. People really care about their money.
The USD derives its value from an extraordinarily productive and innovative economy, that has led the world for a century, and has been the world's largest economy since the 19th century. The US economy has been highly functioning, and remarkably consistent on an averaged out basis, for approaching 200 years, more so than any other major economy. Venezuela's problem is precisely that their economy ceased to function properly, and its currency followed in line.
The US military exists solely because of that successful economy. One must inherently go before the other. US wealth and economic primacy did not originate from military strength, it originated overwhelmingly from trade, commodities, industry, invention during the 19th century. The US military was barely a third rate power when the US economy became the world's largest circa ~1890.
If military power played an outsized role in determining economic outcomes today, North Korea would be rich. Saddam's Iraq would have been incredibly affluent. Soviet Russia would have ruled the world economically. And Canada today would be bankrupt, as would Norway, Finland and Sweden. Japan would have wilted after WW2, instead they witnessed one of the greatest economic recoveries and booms in world history, almost entirely sans military; their boom wasn't because of Japan's ability to project military power. The US economy would not wilt if the US spent $450 billion (~2.3% of GDP) instead of $700 billion (~3.4% of GDP) on its military - the economy would benefit in fact, by redirecting resources to superior productive uses.
> What happens to the dollar when public consensus, trust and collective belief is weakened?
That has been a fantasy premise for about 3/4 of a century now. The Yen was going to crush the dollar. The Euro was going to overtake the dollar. The Yuan is going to crush the dollar. Meanwhile, dollar dominance is as strong as it has ever been. The US economy chugs forward, adding $600 to $800 billion a year in new economic output, still one of the core leaders in innovation and productivity. Venezuela's failure was one of State corruption and oppression, destroying any semblence of a functioning economic system, it's not because they needed a bit more military might to project with.
Crypto actually proves that money doesn't need to be backed by anything. It simply achieves value by being a) useful for transactions and b) scarce. The US dollar's scarcity is carefully handled by the Federal Reserve which is why it has stable value. In Venezuela, the government simply prints money to spend without a thought to managing scarcity, and hyperinflation is the natural result. Collective belief is important, yes, but it's simply a belief about the future scarcity of the currency.
Well no, since it's not used as currency in any meaningful scale.
At some point, probably in the next several weeks, the subsistence diet of the Venezuelan military is going to fail and the "Bolivarian revolution" in Venezuela will finally end. But only after having stunted at least one full generation of children.
Rule No. 1 of surviving hyperinflation is simple: Get rid of your money. Given the speed with which money is shedding its value, holding on to it means you’re losing out. The second you’re paid you run out as fast as you can to buy something – anything – while you can still afford it. It’s better to hold almost any asset than money, because assets hold their value and money doesn’t.
Find a can of tuna? Buy it. Even if you hate tuna. Even if you have no intention of eating tuna. You can always trade it for something else later. Tuna holds its value. Money doesn’t.
I think this is what’s so hard to wrap your mind around if you’ve never experienced hyperinflation. It sounds like it’s about prices rising fast, but it really isn’t. It’s about money breaking down. Under hyperinflation, money no longer works. It doesn’t store value. It just stops doing the basic things people expect money to do. It stops being something you want to have and turns into something you’ll do anything to avoid having: something so worthless you won’t even bend down and scoop it up off the floor while you’re looting.
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/0...
This is a funny way of looking at the problem because it frames money as if it were some sort of robot that did things by itself.
That’s how we ended up using euro despite not being in the EU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegro_and_the_euro
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2010/10/04/130329523/how-...
Venezuela has serious problems. One neat trick won't save them.
Putting someone economically competent in charge?
https://twitter.com/KalebPrime/status/877070731942789121 https://twitter.com/KalebPrime/status/885997066140475395
...how do you think Venezuela got here?
They also encourage "invasions" of unoccupied properties.
Furthermore, credit is a joke now. The average venezuelan credit card now issues somewhere around $5 of credit. Buying real estate through credit is similarly ridiculous.
(Source: I live here)
We tried that too almost at the same time that Brazil tried the Real. If you are lucky and it is well done, you can convince people that "1 (ARG)Peso = 1 (USA)Dollar". It worked for 10 years ... (1991-2002) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convertibility_plan
The main problem is that you must reduce the government deficit (that is usually not popular) or get external credit (but you must not be angry with the international banks).
As a first-order approximation, all currencies in history have ultimately disappeared or stopped working as currencies, from Roman denarii to Italian Florins to Brazilian Cruzeiros to Rwandan Dollars to Venezuelan Bolivares.[a]
Currently there are 190+ countries on earth, most of which have their own currency. Only a fairly small number of those currencies are widely considered stable. The rest are probably destined for the dustbin of history.
[a] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historical_currencies
I remember back in like 2011 Kirchner did this in Argentina while I was living there. There was out of control inflation and capital controls. The government also covered their ear and said "lalalalala I don't care what the world markets say, our currency is worth $x.)
If you were traveling, you could get foreign currency, but you had to apply for it, prove you were traveling, and then accept that the government would allot how much they thought you needed on your trip. I had a friend get $75 per day for their trip to the states. This creates the black market (or in Argentina, the "dolar blue") where the government said that the exchange was 5:1, but economics and the black market said 15:1 (at one point).
Moral of the story - you can not just ignore basic economic principles and dictate the value of your currency. Focus on building a strong and diverse economy and promoting a free market.
But I guess there's an element of "they did it wrong, we'll do it right" or "it'll work for us this time" or "this time is different because of x" and so on.
They don't realize until it is too late that is much, much easier to avoid Hyperinflation (by having responsible policies) than to fix it.
People still do it privately, but you can't openly accept them in your business anywhere.
Last year, oil has been $30 to $50 per barrel. `nuff said. Its an issue of poor governance. Venezuela was heavily dependent on high-priced oil to keep their finances together, and it all collapsed as oil prices dropped.
But clearly, they're doing something wrong down there. They are a very oil-rich and resource-rich nation. So they should have the money to do this correctly, even as Oil Prices have dropped.
And corruption probably, although that might not be unrelated.
Norway is the only exception I'm aware of.
Also they claim that domestic capitalists are hoarding and causing the system to collapse.