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tokyomonster··on Were LLM providers prepared for agentic programming tools like Cline?
Cline and Roo-cline are responsible for 79% of the token usage for the month on openrouter, at a combined 548B tokens. That’s nearly 4 times the total combined usage of the other apps on the top 10 (151B). Per the model rankings on openrouter, it seems like Anthropic’s likely bearing the brunt of the increase. These numbers are only part of the total picture, since it’s excluding things like GitHub Copilot, Cursor, Windsurf, etc etc.

For those unfamiliar, Cline is an “Autonomous coding agent right in your ID”, open source and available for free on GitHub. It’s very similar to GitHub edits, but does a much better job of sequential reasoning (in my experience, at least). You give it an API key and your code base, and it handles putting together the instruction prompt with the relevant portions of your code. This tends to work better with smaller codebases that dont bump up against the context window, but there’s nothing stopping anyone from using it with a much larger codebase. And from the numbers, it’s seems like that’s happening quite a bit.

This means that these agentic coding apps are now responsible for monthly token usage that has to be orders of magnitude larger than the numbers that were getting hit prior to their release. (Maybe I’ll see if I can find historical openrouter data to back this up)

So my question is - how well are OpenAI and Anthropic handling this, and can they continue to scale at the pace that these tools are growing in popularity? Obviously both companies offer models on GitHub Copilot, and cursor, Sourcegraph Cody, etc have been around for a while, so it’s not like Cline popped up overnight, but still - but given the economical and supply chain challenges with scaling AI data centers, there’s no way this isn’t putting pressure on their poor ops teams.

tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
I don't mind adding those categories (the 'N' for Android ones) if you can think of a few.
tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
Ha, that's awesome.

I'll keep that in mind the next time something like this is pitched.

tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
"But your claim that the iPhone doesn't do real multitasking is bogus, it's just that third party apps can't do it. Mail, phone, safari all run in the background."

Not claiming that. The 'multi-tasking' category specifies 3rd party apps in the title.

"And in your sidebar you note which features can be done with a jailbroken iPhone, except for the ones that I've listed - which should be updated imho."

I only mentioned that third party apps can be installed on a jailbroken iPhone in the sidebar, because if I didn't, I'd get 30 comments letting me know it can be done. I know it can be, but it can't be done without jailbreaking, and that's the point. No other features on either platform are counted as a 'Y' if they require jailbreaking/rooting.

I know it's trivial jailbreak an iPhone or root an Android phone, but most average consumers don't want to do this.

tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
The carriers likely have the option to remove this feature/menu item entirely when they push their OTA out to phones.
tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
Just as we're leaving out features exclusive to a rooted Android phone, we're leaving out features exclusive to jailbroken iphones.

ie, currently you can do wifi tethering on Android 2.1, but only if it's rooted, so we're not counting that.

tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
Yeah, so it's technically 1st-party, as it's developed by Apple, but you have to buy it separately, which was my point. I removed the video editing category entirely.
tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
I mention that it's impossible to cover every aspect on each side. We picked what are some of the more user-relevant features. This isn't meant to be the end-all-be-all research/we'll make your mind up for you! post, but rather an aid along the way for some one making a purchasing decision.

It may not be relevant to everyone, and sure, there will be people who think the chart is meaningless. It's the internet, I know what's up. Hater's gonna hate, etc.

Thanks for the feedback and for the constructive criticism(no sarcasm there) -- these things can quickly turn into flame wars, in which case everyone loses.

tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
Hey, thanks for the feedback.

"How about multiple Exchange account support?"

I'll add this row. Both Android and iPhone support it, so it's a wash either way.

"International keyboards and localization support (you mentioned user installable keyboards, but iPhone already has international keyboards for many countries built in). Kanji input from handwriting recognition?"

Also things I can add. Edit: I'm also removing the user installable keyboards row entirely.

"Supporting Exchange Activesync device security restrictions"

Yeah, good call on this. iPhone supports it in both OS versions, Android 2.1 doesn't, but 2.2 does.

"You ding iPhone because it needs to be jailbroken but fail to mention that an Android phone has to be rooted in the same manner."

Android doesn't have to be rooted to install third party apps. You can take a brand new, unrooted android app(unless it's the ATT backflip), and enabled the ability to install third party apps from the settings. You can then go to any website, download an APK and install it. You only need root if you're install an Android app the requires root.

"More bias in wifi tethering - you fail to mention that the only way to enable it is to install 2.2 which is an unapproved firmware update. The carrier approved version that the vast majority of non-geek users will get WILL have carrier charges if you want to enable wifi tethering. "

Yes and no. It is available in 2.2, and it is up to the carriers to decide about charging. I can add a note, but as far as we know it's in 2.2 and there's no charge to use it.

tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
You're right - I'm going to remove that category entirely. Originally it was there because I was under the impression Apple was offering it(and thus tipped the scale in their favor). I've since realized that the iMovie app they demoed would be an additional $5 purchase and thus qualify as '3rd party', nullifying the need for a category comparing OS features if neither OS actually includes said features.
tokyomonster··on Feature comparison: iOS3 and 4 VS Android 2.1 and 2.2
Heya! Mind letting us know which features we ignored on the iPhone? If this was done it was an honest oversight. If you'd care to point out the ones we missed, we'll be happy to incorporate them into the chart.