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timeeater··on Daily U.S. death toll will exceed 9/11′s for months, CDC director says
CDC at the moment says 12% increase compared to the average of the last three years.

Absolute number of deaths have been rising from year to year, sometimes with jumps of 90k.

Sure Covid has an impact, but whether it is dramatic is another question.

timeeater··on Daily U.S. death toll will exceed 9/11′s for months, CDC director says
It's relevant to your claim that deaths from other diseases have been reduced because of the anti-covid measures.
timeeater··on Daily U.S. death toll will exceed 9/11′s for months, CDC director says
Or they are all counted as Covid. If you go to the physician with a respiratory disease, they will test for Covid first. Will they still test for the flu? What about people who get to the hospital because of the flu and get infected with Covid there? How will they be counted?

How come number of Covid infection rates is rising, while flu seems to be eradicated? If the measures help against the flu, why not against Covid?

timeeater··on Daily U.S. death toll will exceed 9/11′s for months, CDC director says
Better, but they should also adjust for increase in population sizes.
timeeater··on Daily U.S. death toll will exceed 9/11′s for months, CDC director says
Classic to have the y-axis not start at 0 to make a curve look more dramatic.

According to the CDC, there seem to be about 12% more deaths than the average of the last three years, or about 300K. Number of deaths has been rising every year, though, sometimes increasing by up to 90k from one year to the next.

timeeater··on Daily U.S. death toll will exceed 9/11′s for months, CDC director says
Death by old age does not exist, it is just the older you get, the more likely it is that some disease or other will push you over. Only Covid somehow doesn't count. It's OK to die of an heart attack when you are over 80, but not to die from Covid. (It's OK to try to prevent or delay both things).
timeeater··on Daily U.S. death toll will exceed 9/11′s for months, CDC director says
7500 deaths per day are average for the US. 9/11 caused 3000 deaths. So the US will probably exceed 9/11 deaths forever, unless population size is drastically reduced somehow.
timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
Same type of claim, that is not supported by data. If you have the data, please provide it.

In the same vein, you could assume Democrats are more at risk because they put too much faith in masks, thereby entering more risky situations. Not saying that's the case. The point is, your expectation of who gets infected is merely your partisan belief, not anything rooted in evidence.

timeeater··on Wall Street Begins Trading Water Futures as a Commodity
It's not just a matter of parsing lots of information, you also have to collect the information, and interpret it correctly. Maybe one day in the future, a real AI will be able to do better than markets (by what metric, though). But not yet.

Show me the computer program that knows how to create a pencil? And then a toaster? How does it know how many toasters will be needed? Is a toaster more important than a smart watch?

Also, if you have such a Computer program, you could use it to beat the markets. You could use it to compute the perfect prices of futures (because you know the future demand and supply). So I guess there is your answer: if you had such a Computer, you could beat the markets, as long as you don't do that, markets are better.

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
"You can direct to HUMANITY to whatever ends" - then why don't we have world peace and end of hunger yet?
timeeater··on Longbets: A bioerror will lead to one million casualties by Dec 2020
Those were different incidents, iirc he proposed shutting down travel when news about Covid came from China.

The other "closing of the borders" is about immigration laws. I'm not from the US, but I never understood the anti-Trump position there. Surely, if you have immigration laws, you should try to uphold them. You can criticize the laws and try to change them, but criticizing attempts to uphold the laws makes no sense.

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
But weren't those lies perpetuated by mainstream media? Where, if not YouTube, would you find the counter narratives? And wouldn't people who believe the MSM not then considered the YouTube debunking to be "lies" and called for censorship?
timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
It's not irrelevant, as the discussion is about alleged effects of free speech on YouTube in the present time.
timeeater··on Wall Street Begins Trading Water Futures as a Commodity
If water is free, it gets squandered.
timeeater··on Wall Street Begins Trading Water Futures as a Commodity
"Good Goverance" - so, Socialism? Markets work better.
timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
Your assumption that the fear does no harm is wrong.
timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
"But they do belong together, don't they? I mean, they are all under attack by facts-denying militant groups fueled by anti-intellectual propaganda."

No, that is just a strategy of defamation that you fell for. Basically the "Hitler was a vegetarian" argument against vegetarianism. In short, "a person of type x believes y" does not imply "everybody who believes y is a person of type x".

" And no, just because a militant group actively denies and rejects facts that doesn't make them disputed nor does it means there is no consensus."

If you would watch more YouTube, you would be aware that it is not only "militant groups" who argue about aspects of Covid.

"This is about people actively disseminating and consuming propaganda and disinformation."

There are such people on all sides.

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
"I have a belief system that's coherent and arrived at through my personal experience"

Other people also have coherent belief systems they arrived at through their personal experience, that contradict yours.

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
I said "we would all live in totalitarian states", and I also doubt your totalitarian state was created by YouTube propaganda.

I'm more worried about the censorship leading to totalitarian states than extremist YouTube channels.

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
The 60% number sounds big, but how many people actually joined groups with extremist content? Without that context, the 60% doesn't say much.

It also doesn't say why people joined those groups. Maybe they are just curious to see what the crazy people are up to.

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
I think the vaccine story has specific aspects for why it spread, not simply YouTube exposure. It provides good anecdotes, because many people get vaccinated and many people get randomly sick. So almost everybody knows an anecdote from somebody who got severely sick after vaccination.

It takes basic knowledge of statistics to verify that those things are just random correlations, not causation (show that incidence of certain afflictions (like autism) is the same among vaccinated and non-vaccinated people). That is what the memes feed from. I don't think censoring would help much here, especially as most people know such stories personally. I don't know people directly, but I know people who know people who got sick after vaccination. I suspect many others do, too.

Granted, anecdotes spread especially well on Social Media. It works the other way round, too. Have you heard a story of somebody who almost died, or died, from Covid, despite being young and healthy? Such incidents are very rare, but since they get shared a lot, one such personal report may be shared by thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people. every one of them now feels like they "know" somebody who died from Covid despite of being young and healthy.

Should such stories also be banned, to ease the psychological burden (fear) on billions of people?

timeeater··on Longbets: A bioerror will lead to one million casualties by Dec 2020
It's not that there are no excess deaths in the US, the question is nevertheless if the scale is really so outrageous. And as I said, you have to look at the next year as well. It is not simply "Covid is fiction" vs "Covid will kill us all", it is the question of "how dramatic is it really". The narrative that every death in the world can be prevented is simply nonsense.

The change of policies in Sweden seems to be entirely political, not driven by the health authorities who stand by their decisions (I have a German article about it, but perhaps you can find something in English). The curve of deaths the second wave is much smaller than the first wave, nothing that really warrants such a change of course. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

As for excess deaths, you really have to look at it over the years, not just at single years. Comparisons with "neighboring" or "similar" countries don't automatically make sense, given that deaths are often driven by local hotspot events (like infections spreading in nursing homes).

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
"antivaxing, antimask, covid-is-a-lie conspiracies"

You are mixing things together that don't belong together. Covid is very new and scientific discussion is still ongoing. There is no consensus. Anti-vaxxers are about tried and proven vaccines they don't trust.

I think as with other things (like religion), people get mostly "infected" by their peer group. Also there are certain aspects that make memes prevail, like fear and protectiveness of one's own children in the case of vaccines. It's not simply a matter of exposure to YouTube videos.

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
So now you are in favor of censoring things? I don't think the likes of YouTube are very typical for totalitarian states.

The propaganda by totalitarian states is an entirely different beasts, it reaches into all walks of life.

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
Surely it does not automatically work, or we would all live in totalitarian states already.
timeeater··on Longbets: A bioerror will lead to one million casualties by Dec 2020
So you are saying Trump should have closed the borders, a proposal he was heavily attacked for?

Anyway, it is more difficult for non-island countries and bigger countries with more global ties.

timeeater··on Longbets: A bioerror will lead to one million casualties by Dec 2020
I specifically added that I haven't validated the numbers, how is that "confirmation bias". I googled merely for the numbers of deaths in previous years. Do you know the numbers, and are the numbers in the article wrong? Or are you using your "confirmation bias" to assume they have to be wrong?

Using their numbers, I am not sure how CDC arrives at their estimate of 300K excess deaths, either. The average 2017-2019 appears to be 2833507. With three weeks to go in 2020, according to the CDC there are 2703232 deaths so far in 2020. So using the average of 60k deaths of the previous weeks, we should be arriving at around 2900K deaths, maybe 2950k. That's 120k more than the average, not 300k excess deaths. Jumps of up to 90K more deaths in the yearly account also seem to be not uncommon (among other things because of rising population size).

Maybe there is a delay with death certificates registering, but then the precise numbers don't make sense to begin with, and we'll really have to wait a couple of months for final results.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

12% big enough to worry about - worry maybe, but will it register as a significant event with hindsight (like 10 years down the road)? And the argument of it being "with lockdowns in place" is not really convincing, as other countries with fewer lockdowns have not necessarily fared worse (afaik Sweden does not have more excess deaths than in some especially flu heavy previous years, for example). Also, the claim was that we will wonder about our stupidity of not having more draconian lockdowns.

timeeater··on YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
What do you mean by "undeniable steep gradient towards extremism" - it was undeniable that more people were becoming extremists via YouTube? I thought that is what we are discussing? Whether YouTube algorithm tries to show you extremism is another question. I am not defending the YouTube algorithm - presumably more extreme things lead to more engagement.
timeeater··on Wall Street Begins Trading Water Futures as a Commodity
Wouldn't traders create their own rules for trading? (As presumably they have also done in the past)?

I think most financial constructs were created by traders, not governments. Financial constructs are basically standard contracts.

timeeater··on A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers
Well the industry would have to make a one-time investment to determine the formula.
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