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Also I've met a lot of mainland Chinese people who recently immigrated to the us and can say that they don't seem like unscrupulous people at a significantly greater rate than the general population.
First order effects arising from this are not that big a deal, those students will either wash out in in the university setting, or will end up cheating their way through school to the degree that they will be useless to many employers afterwards. The bigger issues is that, whether due to malice or not, schools have limited enrollment spots and people who try to "play fair" will be left at a disadvantage. Some might say that this is not all bad; that it prepares students for the real world. But I would like to think that we want to protect our culture/society from devolving into the sort of low trust free for all that exists in some other parts of the world. Anecdotally I've heard that this shift has already started to permeate our universities, where many students feel immense pressure to cheat because so many other people are doing it.
I'd be lying if I said that this didn't have a big effect on the way I view recent east asian immigrants in the workforce. Let you say I'm xenophobic, "recent east asian immigrant" would accurately describe many people in my family and social circles, and if I didn't open my mouth, the average bystander might assume I would be in that category as well.
The college board and individual colleges are not exactly innocent bystanders in all of this, and I'm glad I got through the system before these issues became acute, but I feel really badly for students from anywhere who actually play by the rules.
A big difference between these immigrants and earlier waves is the ones coming now have already made it, often by being shrewd about playing the system. This also means they have no compulsion or desire to assimilate, unlike past immigrants who had to work within the system here to ultimately find success. I have been personally shocked by the level of contempt shown of American values - although this is something you will only see expressed to members of the same circle (I look like them and can talk like them, which gains me admittance).
All of my own grandparents and some of my own parents immigrated from china, and I have many other friends, acquaintances and family members who I would qualify as recent arrivals (my more negative statements apply to some of them) so I am not inherently anti Chinese immigrant. But I am not optimistic about the new arrivals being a positive thing in the long term.