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OK. That's a good point. Let me think about it.

Your perception about Tibet, Uighurs, FLG is different from a lot of Chinese. You (like most westners) might think it's the other side are fooled or have inferior thoughts about issue. The reason is most people in the world dont' know th concept of unknown unknown.

That's a great insight that almost no body in the world really notice: hate speech. Hate is a very good tool to consilidate public and create personal identity extreme efficiently. The technique is used by Hitler and also by CPP in early time maybe without rational calculation.

After world war too hate speech is almost prohibited in all "civilized" countries. However there are 3 targets can be used without consequence: wall street bankers, politicians in Washington, rigemes usually are inferior in morality. The first 2 targets are virtual targets so they are used in election frequently. Not showing fighting spirit create personal identity by fooling people is a recipe for failure. Many politicians use the technique. Example: Rubio, Hillary, etc. China, Russia, are good target for boost support in election to show a fake hero image

Hate is human nature from evolution because human , not like any other species, were evolved not only from other environmental pressure but also from war and killing each other. It boosts the fighting capability of a tribes and promote consolidation. That's why it exist at first place. War is also part of human nature. To find excuse to attack others , creating evil is a good way to get public support. Western journalists are doing this job very well by distorting the reality and mix their interpretation into selected facts in a very deceptive way. All the direct and proxy wars in last 20 years (Except Afghan) are approved by public because of their work.

A good study of the topic should get nobel peace price. However, noble prize commitee itself has the same mentality as western journalists. A lot of winners a fake hero based on face value of commitees perception that eventually create more confilicts in the world.

You are not alone. We are on the same boat. Invisible censorship is more deceptive than visible censorship. I don't blame the system. Freedom of speech? It's not easy although it's a wonderful idea.

I would say it cannot be categorized as propaganda. NYTimes editors seem to be decent people. However, that's very dangerous because its more deceptive to spread fake information(i.e. the civilized internatinal communtity is fighting against a evil regime abusing human rights) unintentionally that eventually will cause more conflicts.

It's quite insteresting that while most English speaking community blame Chinese censorship, there's an invisible censorship of political correctness that prohibit the other side of the story which might be truth. The same invisible "censorship" makes me use current throw way id because my opinion based on what I know seems very evil motivated or might take money from CPP.

Chinese speaking media have different stories which lead majority of Chinese having different oppinions than Westners' naive human rights view based on their moral superiority. To them the the narrative of HK events is another lie just like WMD. The response to Morey is an angry response to defamation , not bully to freedome of speech that US politicians and journalist love to describ about Chinese government.

Ironically it's also NY Time disclose some information about the other side of story[0].But thats a very small piece. There are much more than that. Westeners just don't know because of invisible collective censorship. The people under visible censorship some times know 2 sides stories while the other side are easily fooled by the "independent" journalists who distort the reality based on own their values and invisible censorship. I'm also using the opportunity to see how many downvotes I can collect as an observation of invisible censorship.

[0]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/world/asia/hong-kong-prot...

No government has the right to fabricate (maybe not accurate but they also believe that's true) some thing call genocide then use the fabrication to fool the world to adjust its action. The WMD was known to be a lie only hindsight.

Western countires like to act as if they are warriors saving the world by creating evils. The people believe lies again and again because that match their desire for hate.

That's not valid argument. The ban is a response to an individual not minding his business but China business. If the indificual say something about himself, your are right. Can you get it?

Assume your imagination is correct, can you argue with which part is false instead of who I am and what motive is?

The way you draw your conclusion reflects some interesting information.

[edit]: Thanks for the link. It seems China is building infrastructure for other countries. Of cause it's not free but it's better than bombing other countries in the name of promoting value of freedom. A lot of people from victim countries see the bombers as evil but I think they(bombers) are just cult believer consider themselves liberators.

That's true and unfortunate. I wish that didn't happen. But you don't know the root cause: Westerner who are mostly activists with irrational feeling that they have better "value" and interpret the Chinese behaviour in their own cultish belief systme caused the reaction which is also irrational.

Good part is (ironically) China won't lost control because of its one party system. It's also powerful enougth that US and Western countries can not bomb it like they did in Middle East.

Just a way to force other countries to open to color revolution attack? That's very naive thoughts. What happened in Middle East and East Europa already educated Chinese.

However westners themselves are not aware of the issue. They believe that's a human rights and freedom of speech issue.

The solution is quite simple: mind your own business. Let time and history to tell. China never send army or CIA to overthrow other countries. If the other side don't want to do the business that's fine. Westerner like to spread their values, often with force.

China didn't force you to accept their value. But you often (not always) force all the world to accept your cult (with the name of "value" to make it sounds not so irrational) by destroying many countries in Middle East.

The biggest threat is the cult because the cult will cause conflicts. Keep it for yourself would be good. Spread it all over the world and claim it's universal so you have right to judge others inferior "value" and even try to enforce your "value" when the other countries are weaker , literally is the same pattern as ISIS.

Not really propaganda. It's real reaction from large portion of people. But the belief of mass is not always right.

Iraq was destroyed not only because of WMD as a lie but the biggest factor is that Westners as human rights activits collectively supported their government based on the belief that they own truth and have "moral responsibilty" meaning they are the judge but not god to decide other peoples fate by liberate them from evil human right abuser i.e. Saddam and Gaddafi. They are able to do that because western countries have more bombs while the "evils" can not defend themselves.

In today's world, Hitler doesn't create threat because it's obvious wrong and will be easily destroyed. The real threat is mobs of human activists that believe they stand on a high moral ground. They are more deceptive. They create chaos around the world. They show no remorse for the suffer of Iraq and Libya people because they don't think they cause the disaster.

Blaming the lie of WMD is another lie. The Western people collectively supported their countries to bomb Iraq and Libya that evetually created the chaos and disaster. That's the real root cause.

Human rights and democracy is the last cult in the world after communism collapse. I'm not saying HR and democracy themselvs are bad. But because the believers have done a lot of damages without knowing it's their crime that cause millions of death. The stupidity of mordem human only recognizes direct killing as a crime but never admit bigger scale crime indirectly caused by their "good" intention