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throwawayasdf··on Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble
Of course it's not an actual coherent 'strategy' per se. What I was referring to was the openness inherent in western liberalism, which together with its institutions and competitive ideals, has caused it to be adopted and spread throughout much of the world, ie, the rise of the west, since the 1500's.

An example of the first to adopt such ideals, would be Japan.

throwawayasdf··on Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble
Your points are all pretty much valid. However, you're getting hung up on terms that misses the point. My use of 'officially communist' was to imply the fact that it's more of a authoritarian regime. I also find it funny how so many are getting hung up on the same use of the term. You're missing the forest for the trees.

Anyone with half a brain knows that its not the theoretical communism.

throwawayasdf··on Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble
It's funny to see the obviously pro-CCCP replies to you here. It demonstrates my point exactly.

No, you don't have ownership. You only rent the land for 70 years, after which it returns to the government. You can 'sell your property' to somone else, at which point the 70-year lease on the land is reset for them to 0.

throwawayasdf··on Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble
I suspect that their degree of extreme nationlism is inversely related to the amount of time and # of family members who are here.

That's why a few other members say their anecdotal evidence hasn't seen that much extreme pride - I suspect the people they are talking about have spent 5-10 years here at least, and arrived here in the late 90's-early 2000's when China was still weak and not as rich.

Try talking to new grads and mid-late 20's who are here, who arrived here when China became rich. They are very very prideful. You won't see it if you're an obvious American dude; they will not show their colors.

Obviously you do not encourage westernization by blocking them off. The US strategy is probably to encourage them to be here to gradually acclimate them to western liberalism over time, where they can go back eventually as the ruling elite and gradually shift attitudes in their country.

throwawayasdf··on Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble
Dude, they love their government with extreme pride. You're probably talking to them as an obvious American, and they are backing down and downplaying it to hide it, because they know it's your home turf and they'd rather not get in a fight with a 'Murica-dude over it.

Try talking to them as another asian or foreigner. You will see their nationalism come out.

If you don't believe me, ask your non-American non-Chinese friends for their anecdotal experiences.

And yes, of course it's not all of them.