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RedHat has been using IRC a long time.

ignore my above comment, I've jumped to premature conclusions.

Thank you for clarification and for all your hard work.

I'm looking forward to OKD4 and I will be checking out Fedora CoreOS soon.

I don't have any experience with Harbor so can't comment on its architecture, my argument was purely about there being an existing, highly popular, open source solution backed by CNCF. Can you share more details about what's so bad about Harbor architecture?

> Openshift 4.x is open-source.

That's great to hear. My mistake then, last time I've opened http://github.com/openshift/origin, I saw OpenShift 3.11 even though latest release was 4.2 at the time. From that, and given the fact that all other RedHat products are upstream first, I've made a conclusion that OpenShift 4 is no longer open-source.

> From my understanding, most of it's been blocked on Fedora CoreOS being at a state that it can be used for OKD and just putting resources onto setting up the automation for building everything for OKD.

What's the difference between OKD and OpenShift? Why does OKD use Fedora CoreOS, while OpenShift doesn't? Is it not the same code?

> Remember that Openshift 4.x fundamentally changed how Openshift does updates and that affects OKD a lot. Claytons email touches on this quite a bit.

Don't know Clayton or seen his email. I'm confused why would OKD use a different code than OpenShift. I though that the only difference between OKD and OpenShift would be the subscription.

> Red Hat is very committed to putting the necessary infrastructure and organization in place around projects before they open source to make sure that the code isn't just available but can actually use community contributions.

OpenShift went from open-source to closed-source. The infrastructure and organization was already in place.

> or possibly to be in a stable enough state that the community can contribute.

I would say that it's stable enough for all RedHat customers who pay for it.

> I guess the point is I don't know, but given Red Hat's history of open sourcing even valuable acquisitions, I have faith that they will with OpenShift 4 as well.

I have no doubts that old RedHat would do it, but IBM might have a different approach.

A competing product (Harbor) is already open-source and part of CNCF. Quay wouldn't have had any future if it was to stay proprietary.

Regarding RedHat (or IBM) truly committing to open-source, I'll believe when OpenShift 4.x is open-sourced.