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throwaway201903··on Political Bias Is Destroying Peoples Faith in Journalism
>> She was given special treatment to report a story that conservatives very much wanted to be true.

> I live in Europe and therefore I don’t care too much about US politics. But based what I read on US media, the story seems true objectively. If you’ll read other comments to this HN post, you’ll see many anecdotal evidences.

Again, you misunderstand. She reported a Benghazi story, that if true would have damned the Obama administration for a potentially criminal cover-up. If you paid any attention to the 2016 US election, one of Trump's primary attack lines against Clinton was her handling of the Benghazi attack and subsequent investigation. This is the "story" I'm referring to.

> I live in Europe and therefore I don’t care too much about US politics. But based what I read on US media, the story seems true objectively. If you’ll read other comments to this HN post, you’ll see many anecdotal evidences.

Take a look at some real academic studies on this matter: https://observer.com/2018/06/media-bias-can-readers-trust-me.... http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/10/heres-how-much-americans-tr....

Americans don't trust media, but ask them if they trust media outlets that are associated with their own partisan leanings, and you will see there is quite vibrant support.

Look at the polling for support for some of the largest names in American media. The support is quite robust. In fact, look at an updated version of the very Gallup poll you cite: https://news.gallup.com/poll/243665/media-trust-continues-re.... Notice any changes?

throwaway201903··on Political Bias Is Destroying Peoples Faith in Journalism
In regards to the Anderson Cooper thing: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/anderson-cooper-hurricane/.

He also did an on-air segment with the full footage: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/09/1....

Not to say that CNN is not often wrong, but this is a meme that isn't true.

throwaway201903··on Political Bias Is Destroying Peoples Faith in Journalism
I provided all the links in the original comment, and the follow-up comment.

The argument I'm making is simple: in the originally submitted article, Ms. Logan is making a claim:

> We dismiss conservative media outlets for their political bias, but we don’t hold liberal media outlets to the same standard. Many journalists who claim to be objective have publicly taken a political stand, saying the urgency of the time justifies a departure from journalistic standards. Yet they ask us to believe their reporting is still unbiased?

Please actually read what was linked and sourced, and see if this isn't just a little bit ironic. She was given special treatment to report a story that conservatives very much wanted to be true. When it turned out not to be, she was spared punishment that one of her very prominent liberal predecessors endured.

Secondly, this didn't happen 15 years ago. The Benghazi story is literally Lara Logan's last significant journalistic piece of note. The fact that you are "too lazy to fact check" is your own issue.

throwaway201903··on Political Bias Is Destroying Peoples Faith in Journalism
With respect, I described very specifically how she was allowed to report a story even after expressing what might be reasonably considered bias. This occurred at a mainstream news organization that is supposedly liberal.

After the story was revealed to be false, she was given favorable treatment. At no point did I attack Ms. Logan's "personality", but yes I did strongly criticize her reporting.

This is an argument by example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_by_example.

throwaway201903··on Political Bias Is Destroying Peoples Faith in Journalism
A follow-up on Logan's Benghazi reporting: http://nymag.com/news/features/lara-logan-cbs-news-2014-5/.

Some excerpts:

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> After defending the report for more than a week, Logan was forced to apologize and later take an indefinite leave of absence while CBS conducted an internal inquiry. Her colleagues, including veteran CBS correspondents Steve Kroft and Bob Simon, were apoplectic about the damage to 60 Minutes’ reputation. Morley Safer, the only founding member of the cast left on the 45-year-old program, went into the office of CBS News chairman and 60 Minutes executive producer Jeff Fager’s office last fall and demanded that he fire Logan.

But Fager (who declined to comment for this story) refused. Instead, he said that Logan will return sometime this year. His decision sent a ripple of discontent through CBS News, prompting questions about Fager’s judgment. And as the months have rolled on, Logan’s return appears less and less certain.

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> And just as important was the enthusiasm of Moonves. “The only person who pushed Lara on Don [Hewitt] was Les,” says a CBS staffer familiar with those events. “He said that Moonves loved her.”

Logan was not shy about letting people know she had a direct line to the boss. “She was very fond of saying, ‘I could end your career with a phone call,’ ” says a former CBS producer.

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> Because of the short deadline, and because it was a book by a sister company, 60 Minutes’ usual fact-checking procedures were not followed. No calls were made to the State Department or the FBI specifically to vet Davies’s claims.

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> Logan’s own credulity, it seems, was the central pillar of the report. When asked why she found Davies’s account believable, Logan said that Davies was one of the “best guys you’ll ever meet” and a few minutes with him would convince anyone of his candor, according to a person familiar with her comments. And Davies’s tale of heroic special-forces operators being let down by politicians and bureaucrats thousands of miles from the front made sense in the world in which Logan had been living for the better part of a decade. And while that narrative cast might have raised eyebrows at the old CBS News, the politics in the post-Rather era were more complicated—McClellan leans more conservative than has been traditional at the show.

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> Benghazi had been thoroughly politicized from the beginning. But rather than steering clear of the political battle, Logan headed right toward it, consulting with Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a strong critic of the administration’s handling of the incident whom she’d met once in Afghanistan. “I really didn’t know her until she started doing this piece on Benghazi,” he told me.

The two met two or three times to talk about the Libya attack, with Graham telling Logan that from his point of view, it was “a fair thing to say” that there was a “build-up of Al Qaeda types” in the area—a major talking point for the right in arguments that the Obama White House tried covering up alleged terrorist links.

Graham declared Logan’s report the “death blow” to the Obama administration’s narrative about Benghazi.

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