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throwaway09223··on The NYPD sent a warrantless subpoena for a copwatcher's Twitter account
Accurate is more important than interesting
throwaway09223··on Motorola's legal terms claim to strip owners of their right to sell their device
Not really. Clickwrap licensing only came about near the end of the 90s and didn't really take off until post-2000.
throwaway09223··on Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book authors
I remarked on how human cognition is treated as a magical process with respect to copyright law.

This is just a legal fact. It has nothing to do with how an LLM operates internally, or whether an LLM is at all similar to a human mind in terms of internal mechanics.

> "The legal question of does "copyright goes away if your violation is big enough?"

Don't be fatuous.

> "Because of the meme magic"

No, because of the way the law works.

throwaway09223··on Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book authors
This has nothing to do with how things operate, or whether an LLM is like a mind. It's a legal question regarding large scale compilation of data.

"A machine is not a human mind, so does not benefit from the legal exceptions and rights granted to the latter."

Five years ago this was true. It likely will not be true, eventually. The only question is where we are in this process.

throwaway09223··on Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book authors
> "Purpose and mechanism are not the same thing."

No one said they were. You may want to revisit my original observation.

throwaway09223··on Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book authors
As I said, human cognition is a special case.

The open question is how to handle machines that mimic the process.

throwaway09223··on Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book authors
"1) no similarities have ever been demonstrated between large language models and human cognition"

This is false. The LLM's entire purpose is to mimic cognition.

You could argue that the operation differs in important ways - of course. But the similarity of output is literally the entire point.

"2) even if they were somehow proven to be the same"

I didn't suggest they need to be the same, proven or otherwise. I think you're not understanding. The point is that the function is similar.

How it works doesn't necessarily matter.

"3) cognition is not a "special exception to copyright" because it is entirely unrelated. "

False as a matter of law.

"4) we do not "judge every thought individually as to it's originality" because other peoples' thoughts are entirely opaque."

Also false as a matter of law. When you publish your thoughts - your works, writing, whatever they are judged as to their originality if the question of who owns the copyright is raised.

"Nobody is judging your thoughts, and if you think they are you need to take your medications."

There's no need to be snarky and disingenuous.

From the comment guidelines: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

throwaway09223··on Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book authors
No, that's totally incorrect, we do not consider every observation a "transformative use" as applied to the human mind. If you memorize a copyrighted play and write another play it is NOT inherently a copyright violation of everything which has come before. We just don't do that.

The new play is judged as to its originality.

People who have seen a play (everybody) are allowed to write new plays which aren't beholden to the copyright of the first play they've ever watched.

throwaway09223··on Judge rejects most ChatGPT copyright claims from book authors
"training data is totally a violation of copyright"

This really isn't clear because cognition is treated as a special exception to copyright. Every thought we have is derivative of everything we've seen before to some degree; reading a book makes our brains a derivative work. But we recognize that cognition is special.

With machines we tend to apply a strict test: Did copyright go in? If so, the output is almost certainly derivative.

With human brains, with cognition, it isn't enough to prove that a person has consumed a copywitten work prior to having a thought -- instead we judge every thought individually as to its originality.

If we are in a position to apply similar cognitive rules to an LLM then the weights won't be derivative works and we will judge each output as to its originality rather than simply assume.

throwaway09223··on Divorce hits men harder financially than women: economists
It is a factor, even if not taken into account in their analysis. At 64, someone might be compelled by the court to work. This can't happen at 65+

65 is retirement. Everyone's income drops around this time.

throwaway09223··on Divorce hits men harder financially than women: economists
> That's a pretty drastic drop, with no explanation (in this article)

It's because spousal support terminates at 65. At that point both parties are presumed retired and can't be compelled to work.

> Mr Vandenbroucke said it was not possible to draw conclusions

It's very possible. The spousal/child support system is grossly unfair. I have seen support awards at 300% of the family's income.

throwaway09223··on Cannabis use linked to anxiety diagnoses, worsened anxiety disorders
Going to an ER after taking cannabis seems like something only someone with an existing anxiety disorder might do.

A more accurate headline might read: People with anxiety disorders who take cannabis may unnecessarily visit the ER.

throwaway09223··on How Doom didn't kill the Amiga
Nah. The Amiga 1200 debuted in 1992 for $600. 2MB RAM and a 14Mhz 68020. No monitor.

In 1992 you could get a 486dx 33MHz with 4MB for like $800 (a two year old chip) with similar peripherals. Way more than double the power for a marginal increase in cost.

The Pentium arrived a year later in 1993 and by 1994 we had the 486dx4/100MHz and Pentium/586 at similar clock speeds. This is around when doom arrived and Amiga was long since toast.

throwaway09223··on How Doom didn't kill the Amiga
The Amiga was dead a few years before Win95. The VGA chipset and the soundblaster killed the Amiga.

In the late 1980s I wanted an Amiga so badly. But by the early 90s I had a 486 with VGA and a sb16 and it was all over. The Amiga had a mere fraction of the PC's power by then.

throwaway09223··on Goodbye non-KISS appliances
I've used the LG frontloaders. They are not effective at removing muddy stains. They simply can't do the job.

Wirecutter doesn't publish their methodology, but every "tester" who has focuses on questionable metrics -- such as testing stain types that don't require agitation to remove.

In my experience most people who are happy with them don't have very dirty clothing to begin with.

Regarding normal water usage: It is not true that washers "gain nothing" by using more water. More water protects clothing under agitation and aids in removing dirt. From the SQ manual:

"Wash delicate items usually washed by hand on this cycle. A full tub of water is recommended (even for small loads) to allow the delicate items to move freely through the water. More water helps reduce fabric wear, wrinkling, and provides for a clean wash."

https://speedqueen.com/au/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2019/0...

This is the precise issue:

1) Regulators required low-water modes

2) Low water modes clean less effectively and are rougher on clothes

3) Front loaders are designed to work with low water loads, but still don't clean well

3) All modern washers are now terrible, except models that intentionally skirt regulations - such as SQ

High-water agitation is the best by far. The only drawback is increased water use - which is insignificant. The entire issue is a result of bad washer regulations.

throwaway09223··on Goodbye non-KISS appliances
I've used both a top loader (currently a speed queen) and a front loader washer each for more than a decade. I have many t-shirts that are 20+ years old. Any wear from the washer seems negligible in comparison to the wear from actually wearing the clothes. There's no discernible difference.

But there's a HUGE difference in terms of ability to clean. If I'm out doing yardwork and I have a pair of jeans with deep mud stains on the knees the old style top loader agitators can clean them just fine. The front loaders cannot no matter how many times I run them through. I end up having to scrub the jeans between my knuckles in the laundry sink - moderate agitation breaks up the mud and it rinses out easily.

I suspect a lot of this "agitators are rough" nonsense comes from modern washers that don't use a sufficient amount of water. But the SQ has a setting to use the normal amount of water so it's a non-issue. Most analysis I've seen (eg: from Consumer Reports) refuses to consider top loaders with normal water usage settings -- the data is basically invalid. A lot of Consumer Reports analysis has this type of problem where the entire study is built on a false premise.

Front loaders might be fine if your clothes never get dirty and only need occasional light rinsing. They're really terrible for actually cleaning dirt.

throwaway09223··on Yann LeCun: Human-level artificial intelligence is going to take a long time
The $5-$10k mark for a high end home workstation has held pretty firm since the 1980s. That's the buy-in price point for a very early PC, an SGI Indy, a low end Sun workstation, etc.

We went through an amazing period of very cheap computers from 2000-2020. We just didn't need specialty or high end equipment for a while.

Now we do again.

throwaway09223··on Yann LeCun: Human-level artificial intelligence is going to take a long time
If you read what Yann writes you'll pretty quickly see that he's rather ignorant about AI. His opinion is probably worse on average than the typical technical generalist's
throwaway09223··on A battery has replaced Hawaii's last coal plant
Yes, as your article clearly explains the problem we are discussing - heat pollution - does not exist there. The article is talking about salinity, not heat.
throwaway09223··on The memory remains: Permanent memory with systemd and a Rust allocator
The common place to use something like this would be to mmap an existing external data structure. There are a number of existing mmap-able 0copy k/v library/db formats that fit the bill here.
throwaway09223··on A battery has replaced Hawaii's last coal plant
It's a good thing the problem we're talking about doesn't exist there
throwaway09223··on A battery has replaced Hawaii's last coal plant
I think you are probably shower and bathe in water that flows through pipes, so it seems absurd to be concerned about the same water/pipe combination used elsewhere.

If you don't shower or bathe or use modern plumbing infrastructure then please, by all means correct my mistaken assumption.

throwaway09223··on A battery has replaced Hawaii's last coal plant
Well, it would be an invalid assumption. The pipes are just pipes. There are no chemicals.

Do you also avoid touching water from your kitchen sink? Your bathroom shower?

throwaway09223··on A battery has replaced Hawaii's last coal plant
It's usually a silly complaint, though. The change is to a small area, and small areas are naturally different temperatures for all sorts of different reasons. Dredging the beach and changing the water elevation will have similar temperature effects.

At electric beach it creates a nice, unique ecosystem and there's nothing wrong with that.

throwaway09223··on Disney backs down from 'Steamboat Willie' YouTube copyright claim
> It is

It is not, as explained by your own link. You should read your own link. Registering makes it enormously easier and nearly everyone will register prior to bringing a suit, but it is absolutely not required -- again, as your link clearly explains.

Furthermore, your point is academic because what people do in practice is simply register just prior to bringing a suit (after the infringement takes place)

> Service providers don't take things down in the absence of any proof of a copyright.

Yes they do - in fact the DMCA requires them to do so.

> You have unlimited time to register. It's not 5 years. You just need to register prior to bringing a suit.

The 5 years matters, but yes, this is why your point about registering is entirely without merit.

throwaway09223··on Disney backs down from 'Steamboat Willie' YouTube copyright claim
No, that's not correct. Registering helps in establishing ownership but it is NOT necessary to bring a suit.

Even more importantly, the vast majority of copyright claims aren't litigated in a court at all. Most are handled by extrajudicial processes such as the DMCA takedown process. You do not have to register to issue a DMCA takedown.

Furthermore, right now people just register before bringing their suit because they have 5 years to do so. The proposal above is a lot different than what you're suggesting and the law doesn't work as you're describing.

throwaway09223··on Disney backs down from 'Steamboat Willie' YouTube copyright claim
> Any serious entrepreneur wouldn't fall on the default to begin with if the potential losses are that large.

Huh? It's no change at all for someone who wants to retain copyright. They would just need to file to register.

> We just have a reference on what NOT to write.

You may be confused. This is how it already works. No change.

throwaway09223··on Disney backs down from 'Steamboat Willie' YouTube copyright claim
No, this isn't true at all. Because everything is presumably under copyright already we already have such a database. It's simply "everything"

The difference here is that the vast majority of works would suddenly be free from this system and unavailable for any type of IP litigation.

throwaway09223··on Disney backs down from 'Steamboat Willie' YouTube copyright claim
> What really improves here?

With affirmative registration we can trivially prove/disprove whether a specific work is registered under copyright. It also greatly expands the works in the public domain.

> It doesn't even benefit open source development.

Sure it does. Code by default is usable by anyone. A registry of copywritten code would appear which we could easily cross-reference.

throwaway09223··on Disney backs down from 'Steamboat Willie' YouTube copyright claim
> Thing is most people won't even think to apply.

Good. As intended.

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