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Well is there an official source to decide on this matter? However, culturally I'm pretty sure my answer is what the majority of Chinese think. If you happen to have Chinese friends you can ask them as an informal poll.

Sick Man of Asia though was mainly referring to the opioid addicted Chinese population at that time.

Just wanna emphasize that there's historical contest with the words Sick Man of Asia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_man_of_Asia

The phrase reminds any Chinese about China's darkest history in 500 years.

Yup. In mainland China they repurposed car assembly lines to mask production (there's not much car selling anyway). Western countries need to copy at least some of those measures.

Plz keep in mind that with all those measures employed in China, we don't know exactly which ones are effective and how effective they are. Also S.K. Taiwan, and Singapore has a different set of measures that seems to work. What I wanted from posting that video is to show the virus is containable once everyone is onboard.

And as a Chinese I know everyone is onboard on day 1. Tons of volunteers. Tons of volunteering health workers from day 1. The people keep temperature readings from many communities and neighbourhoods are volunteers. Many elderly volunteered to do that. Everyone is onboard to contain the virus on day 1 by themselves, not forced. Ask any Chinese you know, I guarantee you no one thinks it's just a flu. I would bet that people from S.K. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore all share the same attitude.

In startup world we say people would achieve wonders once the vision is clear and everyone is onboard. It's the same with this pandemic.

Sorry for me spamming this but this is extraordinary times:

For people who are curious what living in China feels like now (video uploaded Mar 14th), from a Japanese director living in Nanjing, China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfsdJGj3-jM

Things are getting back to normal, with tons of precautions.

There are a few other youtube channels run by westerners vlogging on the current situation in China. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1XG7bJnYqta_ezr12WZp7w

Also, from someone lived in Wuhan: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/more-likely-to-get-sick-i...

sorry for spamming my own reply, but here's what 21 days after in China looks like: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587840

>while other countries are not counting them if other conditions where already present.

Any source please?

For people who are curious what living in China feels like now (video uploaded Mar 14th), from a Japanese director living in Nanjing, China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfsdJGj3-jM

Things are getting back to normal, with tons of precautions.

Nah scratch that. At this point it's hard to tell who are the baddies[1].

1. https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1879190/us-germany-battle-...

> could do that because it could afford to take the economical hit and because it is an authoritarian state, which means you can get almost everyone to obey, in one way or another. Also, the Chinese Party is what caused this mess to begin with, by allowing this virus to spread all around the world.

I don't understand this logic. Because China made a mess at the beginning of the pandemic, so we shouldn't copy the model they employed at later stage that is proven to be working?

Or because China is an authoritarian state, so everything it does is bad and nothing we can learn from them? Well China has been copying and learning from any countries for a while now and that's what makes it stronger by day. Just keep blaming China and do nothing. That will surely make China less powerful and less influential.

You know what's scary? All major democracies failed to manage the pandemic while China becomes the most powerful country after all this.

Scientifically, yes? First do we have conclusion that people are immune to coronavirus once infected? Isn't the disease too new to know that? Secondly have we done any experiments and have any evidence that this will work in a smaller scale? Any scale? I thought science is about evidence and repeatability. If anything this will be a large scale human experiment at best without any informed consent given.

Humans are not logical animals. There's a lot of criticism on modelling human making logical decisions in economics. In some other fields humans are modelled as fluids or herds, devoid of individual judgement/decision making.

Some items will be restocked, some others may not due to supply chain disruption. Look online for DIY solutions or alternatives as there are plenty. In some cities Asian supermarkets might be a viable option since many Asians have stocked up like weeks ago and they avoid crowded places now.

I have a question. Do we test all death? What if many death are not tested for coronavirus hence the death number is not accurate either?

There's a Canadian Covid 19 case who attended a conference with 25,000 attendees. Let's see how that goes...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-first-communi...

Let's overcome this virus first? We normally don't do root cause analysis during an outage in IT do we?

Hey HN, in light of the current situation and the potential ordeal in the coming weeks, may I ask you instead of blaming whoever, let's find some solutions to help people?

As a Chinese, I read first hand materials from Chinese social media and friends on what life is like in a lockdown area. People there depends on deliveries for groceries and medicine, and occasionally restaurants take-outs. All those services, and a bunch of other services for small businesses are possible because of Wechat. Wechat is obviously not a popular option here in N.A. Is there something we can do to help both the people buy whatever they need via delivery and help local businesses?

In Wuhan when the entire family had to be isolated, no one was left to take care of family pets. I heard there's volunteer groups to take them but their capacities were very limited due to the short notice for them to take on such responsibilities. Can we be more prepared and maybe find a technology(-assisted) solution to this before it becomes a huge issue? I feel this will be an issue sooner rather than later because in N.A. it appears the current policy for mild cases is self-isolating, which will very likely infect the entire family.

Also in Wuhan during the lockdown many people felt so lonely, especially the older generation who can't use the internet effectively to stay connected to their families/rest of the world. Can we find ways to help people prepare for it psychologically? A lot of people will break medical suggested self-isolation because of the eagerness to stay connected to certain people/group. Instead of blaming them, can we help them find ways to stay connected yet in isolation?

I'm sure there are more things the mighty HN crowd can do to help others overcome this difficult time. Let's give it a try?

And its proximity is probably the most important factor?

markets started to know the scale of U.S. government's incompetence in handling Covid 19 now.

Would AWS Elastic Beanstalk fit that <10 services profile?

limit quantity per customer?

In your own source it is said unproven with detailed explanation:

>If we strip the above-displayed videos of their captions, we can take a look purely at what the videos show. In one case, it looks like a person was the victim of a traffic accident. In another, it appears that a man suffered a head injury. But since these videos appeared online during heightened hysteria about an outbreak of an illness, it’s easy to see how a passerby may have made the assumption that these incidents were connected to the coronavirus.

I totally agree with you.

>china and south korea both explicitly stated that they were transitioning to wartime footing to combat the virus. we need to follow in their footsteps. we need billions of dollars in spending, suspension of normal daily life, and requisitioning of the necessary resources from private entities if needed. and we need to do this today. now. this afternoon. preferably before 5 PM. this isn't a problem to be left until tomorrow.

This won't happen in North America. As a Chinese who reads Chinese and English news sources everyday, it appears while China is very heavy handed in censorship for anything coronavirus related, in NA there is too much misinformation floating around, to the point that people cannot agree on anything. Specifically western media have been producing outrage porn for clicks around Covid 19 for a while, resulting in much misinformation on how China's measurements in combatting the virus are inhumane and in violation of human rights, that even talking about those options will bring so much negativity into the discussion. Apparently inaction and incapability of the government and every one only takes care of themselves are not human right violation.

Even we don't have a cure, slowing down the spread is a huge win in for the healthcare system as a whole.[1]

1. https://www.vox.com/2020/3/2/21161067/coronavirus-covid19-ch...

> At the end of the day, people would rather feel nice about themselves than make actual change.

This. In many many places you see people like that. Many NGOs and charities don't help solving the problems at all if not aggravating them. It makes me doubt if the people running them are actual well intentioned people or just selfish in a different way.

I find this subreddit more scientific based than even many epidemiologists I follow: https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/

There are US based researches on it already, and the evidence so far is it's not engineered. Your observations don't include all relevant facts, hence the conclusion can still be wrong. Like scientists in 18th century had all kind of weird ideas based on the facts they observed about the world. In today's world, for most of us, especially non experts on the fields, what really matters is all the facts out there that we don't know (or chose to ignore).

http://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/3...

There's already scientific research on whether it is engineered or not and the evidence so far is a strong no.

http://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/3...

As other people said, most viral diseases have a asymptomatic period. What's unique about Coronavirus is that the patient can be infectious during the asymptomatic period. This makes coronavirus so hard to be controlled.

Coronavirus is possible to transmit via aerosol but not airborne. They differ in the transmission distance, among other things. Virus are infectious only when you receive a certain amount (Viral load). It is possible the virus loaded aerosol drift far away, but the density would become lower the further they drift.

I don't think CCP can cover 50k death with ease. Unlike many western people assumed, CCP is not omnipotent in China. There are checks and balances of power. Not distributed democratically, but still distributed in some opaque ways. 50k death can lead to some pretty serious power dynamics change if true.

Btw it's not too far off that right now 10% of world's population is more or less under some level of quarantine.