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Out telescopes aren't sensitive enough to detect the power levels of comm signals that aliens would use internally. Even if SETI saw a random powerful signal that happened to hit us, if the signal doesn't continuously repeat it just gets put into the "random transient, didn't repeat, who knows" bucket, and discarded.
The 100 signals they've detected will be looked at again with telescopes, and when they don't see the same signal repeating, they'll all just be discarded. Even if they were in reality actual emissions from aliens that we happened to see, if they're not intentional, repeating, comm beacons, the signals will just get discarded as unverifiable.
If aliens actually made terrawatt scale comm beacons, we would have easily seen them by now.
1) There's the people and companies that stand to make money and build up companies by convincing people to buy their ai projects, hyping up ai, etc.
2) There's companies and nation states trying to destroy competitor's / other country's ai efforts, turn citizens against them, in order to gain an advantage/lead in the race.
3) There's, conversely, nation states that want to boost up and promote their ai industry in order to win the race rather than other countries winning (assuming there's a "win" at the end, like AGI, which I don't believe there is).
4) Normal citizens that have been ideologically brainwashed one way or the other, and so are going online to argue in a culture war for their beliefs / "side".
5) People posting crazy takes on ai, one way or the other, to get clicks / money on their articles.
The whole topic is awash in serious propaganda. Effectively the only path forward is believing what you yourself know for sure, from your direct experience / knowledge.
"As A.I. Companies Borrow Billions, Debt Investors Grow Wary", " Bankruptcies soar as companies grapple with inflation, tariffs", "Apollo cuts risk and stockpiles cash in preparation for market turmoil", "The Private-Credit Party Turns Ugly for Individual Investors", "Stock Market Crash Is Here: How Bad Can It Get?", "Investors seek protection from risk of AI debt bust", "Oracle Credit Risk Gauge Deteriorates After Earnings Report", etc, etc, etc.
Wow, look at that. An account that overwhemingly only post doomer scare mongering anti-US economy stories. Surely just a normal human posting normal stories that hackers would find interesting, and there's no other motive behind their posting pattern at all.
Ok, but is that really the worst thing? People are already constantly afloat in near endless foreign propaganda at this point; pawns in the latest cold war, all being slowly convinced to destroy their own countries from within. Culture / traditions / historic ways of life and governing being overthrown and replaced.
But really, promoting hard work is the top of the list of what this guy complains about and doesn't want to see in his feed? That'd be at the bottom of my list of propaganda campaigns to complain about.
On a related/side note, when there's talk about seti and dyson spheres, and detecting them via infrared waste heat, I also don't understand that. Such an alien civilization is seemingly capable of building massive space structures/projects, but then lets the waste heat just pour out into the universe in such insane quantities that we could see it tens/hundreds of light years away? What a waste. Why wouldn't they recover that heat and make use of it instead? And repeat the recovering until the final waste output is too small to bother recovering, at which point we would no longer be able to detect it.
"In February 2022, two days after Russia's full-scale invasion, Ukraine requested that the American aerospace company SpaceX activate their Starlink satellite internet service in the country, to replace internet and communication networks degraded or destroyed during the war.[2][3][4] Starlink has since been used by Ukrainian civilians, government and military.[3][5] The satellite service has been employed for humanitarian purposes as well as defense and counterattacks on Russian positions.[6]"
"In 2022, Elon Musk denied a Ukrainian request to extend Starlink's coverage up to Russian-occupied Crimea during a counterattack on a Crimean port, from which Russia had been launching attacks against Ukrainian civilians; doing so would have violated US sanctions on Russia.[18] This event was widely reported in 2023, erroneously characterizing it as Musk "turning off" Starlink coverage in Crimea.[19][20]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrain...
"You don't need to learn it or use it, we just want to do our own separate things with it over here"
.. some time later ..
"Oh yeah it's working good for us, we think it'd be useful to use it in these additional places, think about the benefits!"
.. some time later ..
"Now it's going to be core and required, either deal with it or get out"
They know they could never jump straight to the last step without revolt, so they shove their foot in the door with fake promises and smiles and then slowly over time force the door all the way open until they eventually get what they wanted from the beginning.
Now for this issue, there's harm being done to children, and the majority of users in the thread seem to be against government intervention; you say: "well if you don't like it, if you think it's negative, just don't use it, don't let your kids use it".
Kind of a random parallel to draw between the two stories, but it's funny the same logic doesn't seem to apply in both cases. Why wasn't for circular saws the response "if you think they're dangerous, don't use them" or "just keep your kids away from them"?