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Former investment banker, and small company CFO.
And it gets even harder to defend if you slice thinner: are penny stocks ok for grandma to own or just individual Fortune 500 stocks? Or no stocks at all just indexes? Etc.
Further, surely you wouldn’t argue the same for lottery tickets right? That the consumers can’t understand the math and/or can’t calc the probability ex ante therefore the government should preclude them from participating due to low “prowess” (ignore the positive tax base component).
I’d be okay with a “drivers license” type regulation than a minimum net worth threshold regulation which just increases inequality in the long run and creates greater divisions in society.
Edit: it’s weird I can work at riskyStartupXYZ as a 22 year old but not easily “bet on it” succeeding, even though the later implies much less risk.
Note, I’m not arguing for wild Wild West rules, but it goes both ways.
As they say.
Source for the curious, many more online and on YouTube (including often helpful role play videos, strongly recommend for practical purposes): https://www.talkspace.com/blog/grey-rock-method/
Your scenario as described is unethical, and a virtuous investor would have topped up those delinquent payments with some premium since those employees essentially funded the company with financing. In a bk, you also have access (I won’t explain this) to debtor in possession financing which is super senior to everything except basically tax liens iirc, and if there’s a working capital deficit like the wages mentioned in your case, those can be resolved.
The courts are very very strict on the bright line on pre and post petition spend and liabilities and shenanigans aren’t really tolerated. Also, the “zone of insolvency” brings significant liability to officers and directors of the company, and D&O insurance won’t always protect you against risk of this magnitude, so it’s best to steer far far away from unseemly behavior in any liquidity constrained situation. Those refs bite, and they bite hard.
Sorry you had to go through that.
What Elon is alluding to is a “roll over”. So, assume you have a house you bought with your brother 60/40% that you want to sell for $1M. What you can do is your brother “rolls over” which amounts to basically (assume no debt aka mortgage) his 40% which mathematically is the same as if he cashed out $400k at close simultaneously with you, and immediately reinvested it into the house with the new buyer. Elons choice of words suggests one of two things: a) no new money came in but FTX rolled over into the take private, reducing the financing Elon had to bring to the table OR b) he did not offer that to FTX and he essentially redeemed their stake and wrote a check at closing. Not sure which is true.
The exhibit suggests that FTX does indeed own 0%, however considering the required creditor matrix was filed confidentially in redacted fashion with the court, who knows what’s real.
Kinda nutty how much stuff FTX “bought”.
1. Warning, rabbit hole: https://cases.ra.kroll.com/FTX/Home-DocketInfo
Not sure how to objectively prove my claim. The evaluating source could also be biased? If anyone has a source proving or disproving BIs merit as a news source, would appreciate you sharing it.
PS. No idea what Elon has to do with a random newspaper/blog post. Is this a Peter Thiel / Gawker reference? A Bezos / Washington Post allusion? A Bill Gates / Elon Tesla investment thing? You do know they are different people right, and not all famous/rich people are one homogenous blob indistinguishable from one another. And just in general it’s not clear how being rich / prominent qualifies you to be a noteworthy evaluator of news quality, especially when you’re likely frequently mentioned (probably negatively). Totally unfounded, but since humans are drawn to trauma porn, I’d assume 80%+ of news about billionaires is negative, and I’d further assume that 80%+ of billionaires hate the “common person” news outlets. So therefore I’d particularly be hesitant to take their recommendation of what to read. But that’s just a wild guess.
Typically in mergers, you see accretion due to the removal of duplicate functions on the cost side (you don’t need two HR departments for example), but sometimes you get negative credit if you’re a too big / too opaque / too confusing.
I don’t care about the merits of bitcoin, but these simplistic crude and inaccurate legislation attempts are fundamentally market distorting and inefficient and restrict our rights.
Each one alone is troublesome and when aggregated it’s super annoying every American can basically be a voyeur target for a few dollars, and not even have to option to consent to this happening.