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Yes sure, you can test all that you want, even on billions on people and write thousands of studies. That's what they are doing right now. But you can't buy time for your studies, do you understand that ? If the average period for studying long term effect is 5 to 10 years for a vaccine, how do you do that with a 6 month old vaccine ? People are losing their mind, even rational educated people are throwing away any critical thinking to embrace the rainbow rhetoric, this is a collective hysteria crisis.

> "Orbán is a cancer on Europe"

Orbán too little "woke" ? One would say "EU is a cancer for european nations and people", I strongly think that this techno-totalitarist institution is on the brink of total collapse. Brexit first, Hungary, Poland, I sure hope France is next with our "startup nation" CEO.

French people voted NO to EU in 2005, it was forced upon us. You may argue as much as you want EU and its supra-national institutions are not a democratic process.

If EU was good for Europe, US would not have set it up back in the days. Everything is about power. Before it was power of nations, now it is obviously power from a selected few over the mass, supra-national oligarchy.

>"Is this "mostly" qualifier not the dangerous front end of misinformation and vaccine hesitancy? "

I do not understand. HN forum are places where "question everything" should be the norm, especially about science, and more especially about health when so much money is at stake.

It seems we are in a religious quest, with virtue signaling signs everywhere, to laudate the vaccine COVID-19 miracle. Everything is "magic". Somehow one could make a parallel with the state of the economy and the stock market. We are printing our way to prosperity as we are saving the world with "methode Coué" and of course brutal coercition (mandatory vaccination at state level).

What part of "you can not buy time" don't you understand ?

You may throw billions, no, trillions, quadrillons, bazillions to all the Silicon Valleys startups and brains to developp a vaccine in a matter of months ; but you can not buy a 3, 5, 10 years study with this money. You can't even buy one month or one second, you just have to wait, this is life and bio-trans-human thinking still can't and never will overcome nature, space and time.

So you might be "mostly" confident about the vaccine, I would say that this is the absolute maximum optimism best case scenario adjective you can use. Moderna, Pfizer sure are, "risk big, win big".

But we'll have to wait a few years more to completely assert something like "safe and effective" for the COVID vaccines, that is not a fact anybody can deny.

I was speaking of the HN page discussion, but it seems my search on Firefox is completely broken, so I withdraw my mention of no vaccine reference, but I stand to be commented on the subject.

I will address the elephant in the room on this one.

168 comments so far, I did a research for word "vaccine" in the page, not a single result. So I assume this has not been discussed despite the current situation we are living right now.

I've just read 2 articles about Moderna in general and Bancel in particular : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-14/moderna-m... And Vanity Fair, unfortunatly in french https://www.vanityfair.fr/pouvoir/business/story/stephane-ba...

This is a frightenning read as we people in France are being literraly forced by our gouvernement to be vaccinated (Moderna, Pfizer) or be socially terminated.

I did not know, I'm pretty sure 99,99% of people also don't, that Moderna did not release a single product before 2020 and it "all in" bet in the Covid Vaccine with up to 1 billion funding from operation warp speed. Moderna was sometimes refered as the next Theranos. His leader fits clearly in the sociopath territory of Silicon Valley tranhsumanist billionnaires. "risk very big, win very big" is his mantra, this man wants to vaccinate billions of people annualy (read article please).

More, if you read those two articles, you could change Vaccine by any software product and you would have a typical business article about a Silicon Valley startup. This is frightening to death to think that this technology "software vaccine" is to be used on the whole population with only a few month of study and, worse, with "forced consentment" on populations.

Guess what happens when money conflict with health.

You might be the parody has someone who seems to not care about privacy at all.

I'm not american and I'm not native english speaking, broader you vision a bit please, you understood my point, how many languages should I speak and write fluently to have your attention ? Oh and how many ones do YOU speak and write fluently ?

I do have a phone, i AM tracked, ans i DEPLORE IT, but i do keep things SAFE the range i can that mean i'm not using any app i use my phone to call people and receive call. I don't have facebook or rubbish social network account where I expose my life. Yes all my stuff is recorded by the NSA, i DEPLORE IT, so i'm careful of what i can say over the network, you don't seem to be.

I just can't understand you can't see any danger for the future the way things are moving. We need to stop all this data collection on people. This data is being used already, for commercial matters and as a matter of fact for spying and mind control. One have to be nut to yell "conspiracy theory" when the fact is spreaded all over the news. Just go for curiosity on Wikileaks or Snowden files, just be curious. I'm not american and i'm not native english speaking, broader you vision.

So when they'll stick a tracker in the ass of every new babyborn you'll say "hurray, this is beautiful !" The world you're creating is just insane.

One will have to kill me before seeing me wearing a tracking device.

"It's only frightening if it's not deliberate / you don't know it's happening."

Oh my god, how old are you all ? Are you the next generation of this world ? Don't you just understand you behave like products and not human !? This is possibly the end of the world.

" great website" "fantastic" "fabulous"...

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So nobody feel that tracking everything you do every second and log it in real time and forever on a server is terribly frightening ?!!!!

In 2005 i predicted every one who ever logged on facebook would regret it one day and pay a huge price for it. This is more than real now. Still you don't stop, and now you're sending to "them" in realtime your heartbeats, your weight, what you yeat, etc.

Did you just forgot about LIFE ? Is this the next American Way of life ? So yout think totalitarism is Iran or Syria ? Pouarrrk !!!

You guys are totally out of your minds. Seriously.