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In Amsterdam that is only for the homeless. The people living on the streets.

Sounds like you just don’t know Dutch law and options at all tbh.

Not near Amsterdam

These people are locals. They are living there for years sometimes decades

A billionaire buying up housing can do a lot more damage than a persons drifting through town

Make it so people who live there can vote

You mean French.

Meal deals and Döner Kebab are junk food

I’m not talking about nomads. I’m talking about people who live there for years, sometimes decades

By allowing them to register as citizens of that city

> You can also go to city hall and give a temporary address.

You can not. That is not how it works.

Sounds like you just don’t know Dutch law and options at all tbh.

I don't have sources but for cities like Amsterdam I wouldn't be surprised if 5% of the population isn't registered with the municipality for various reasons. But have been living there for years. Plenty of people I know would sublet empty rooms of their social housing apartment, which is highly illegal but for some people the only way to find a place to stay. But you obviously can't register because then the person subletting would be kicked out.

In The Netherlands it is illegal to be register at an address you don't live at.

There people have residency, they just don't live in a stable form of housing that allows them to register as living in the city. But some of them have lived in the city for years.

A yes, why didn't I think of that! Let me just completely ignore the broken housing market, the 15+ year waiting list for social housing and scrape together... lets checks... €400k for a small appartement with a 45 minute commute to work.

Do you have any clue how privileged you sound here? This is peak "have you tried not being poor" attitude.

The $4 lunch bowls in Japan are indeed full nutritional lunches.

That is only possible with stable and legal housing. Not everyone is privileged to be in that situation, especially not with the housing market in many countries.

With your thinking you are creating a class of subhumans where you enjoy the benefits of their labour but you are not allowing them to vote. Like African Americans in the US not that long ago.

Then change the fucking system so that people who have been living in a city for years can legally do so. Or kick them out. But don't have this vague system of sub-humans that are not allowed to influence their surroundings by voting.

Thank you. I know people who have lived in Amsterdam for over five years but can't vote for local politics because of their legal status or because they are illegally subletting due to the shitty housing market in The Netherlands.

Don't complain about people not being engaged with local politics if you don't allow them to vote.

A sandwich, snack or Döner Kebab is not a full nutritional lunch.

It's by design that only people with stable housing can vote? I bet you loved pre-1965 America.

Not talking about passing by, talking about people living there for years.

I'm talking about people who live in the city for years.

That is OK but OP should not be complaining about people not being engaged with local politics if you are excluding a large part of the people living in the city from voting.

Those as well. But even citizens and immigrants with paperwork can often not vote for local elections if they do not have stable housing.

People who live in the city for the majority of their time. They should be able to vote. Regardless of their housing situation. In basically all of Europe, voting for local elections is tied to having stable housing.

I've lived in various European cities where I was not able to vote for various reasons. Such as living hotel long-term, living in a holiday home, being semi-homeless, sub-letting, crashing on someones couch. Seasonal workers, migrant workers or people with unstable employment are typically in this situation.

No, I was not able to vote.

Or basically all of Europe. Haven't seen $4 lunch bowls (adjusted to local wages) anywhere. Spending "nearly an hour a day cooking" is the norm in most countries here. Eating out is expensive anywhere.

A good start would be to allow everyone living in the city to vote. I don't care about politics, zoning or planning if I am not allowed to vote or participate. There isn't anything I can do, so why bother putting effort into it?

I've been to the US a couple of times and most restaurants I visited did not have any parking spots at all. I have also seen plenty of food-carts operated by a single person, comparable to the Japanese mini-restaurants described here.

That was only possible with a KvK registration back then. They changed it after a while so that end consumers could buy one directly.