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Yeah, I wrote "inverse" but I meant "converse". It's definitely one of those situations, here.

>Also, "conservatism" meaning "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is NOT equivalent to political conservatism at all. Conservatives all the time advocate for changes that contradict tradition all the time.

True. Frankly, I don't know the exact reason why anti-systemd sentiment seems tied up with conservative/reactionary political tendencies (or, more correctly, why the latter seems tied up with the former).

I think that's part of it, but I think they primarily mean politically reactionary. I wrote more about this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34543573

>These people once mentioned, on twitter, that people who hate systemd are like reactionaries (as in, politically far right), as if a choice of init is a correlative of political ideology. When you view others' preferences for fucking software as so important to your world view that they might as well be nazis[0], you can tell your priorities are not in order.

I hate that everything is politically-coded nowadays, but, honestly, as much distaste as I feel even writing this, I think they're not entirely wrong / there is something significant underlying that sentiment. Especially post-2014, nearly everything on the internet, including open source technology, is highly entangled with the culture wars. For better or worse, Rust really is left-coded and anti-systemd sentiment really is right-coded. A lot of this stems from the 4chan /g/ (Technology) board's staunch opposition to systemd and Rust + the broad cultural influence 4chan retains to this day. I've been a 4chan regular for over a decade and have seen all sides of this.

I know what I'm saying sounds, and is, utterly ridiculous, but this really actually is a "thing", for some reason. Of course most people who like/dislike systemd or Rust aren't politically motivated or even aware of these associations, but there's a surprisingly large chunk of both who are, even if they aren't really consciously thinking of it in this way. It's very easy and understandable to laugh at someone accusing systemd critics of being neo-Nazis - it's the ultimate Godwin smear/cope - but for a variety of reasons the inverse pretty much does hold: alt-right technologists indeed are near-universally actively opposed to systemd, and generally actively hostile towards Rust. The Rust opposition is in large part due to their belief that Rust and Mozilla are associated with trans people and that if you use Rust you are "pro-trans agenda", "cucked", "pro-Jewish", "pro-globohomo". The systemd opposition is less concrete and seems to be more a matter of happenstance + typical conservatism/"if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

>Also how do they make money? Do they all just sell NFTs ?

Correct, they sell NFTs of mass-generated cartoon art.

>While CharlotteFang may be termed something close to reactionary (if your IQ is low and you can only think of 3 or 4 political archetypes)

I would put them more in the neo-Nazi / pseudo-Esoteric Hitlerist archetype (https://archive.ph/qlYqD):

>How to save a nation in 5 steps:

>First, you kill the Jews, who always seek to ruin and exploit other nations.

>Then, you remove any peoples who are not native to the country in question*.

>Then, you remove any vestigial influence left by the Jews, either by re-education, physical removal or otherwise. This includes everything under the cultural marxist platform: feminism, homosexuality, "sexual revolution," etc.

>Then, you will work to re-coup and re-discover any heritage that may have been lost due to Jewish influence. You will work to carefully modernize your country based on the principles traditional to its native culture.

>Now you may allow non-natives into the country but with limited rights on a temporary basis. Other peoples and countries will not be discriminated against, they will each be considered meritable under their own culture; but nothing will be done to draw their influence into the country's own identity.

And before one argues this was edgy rusing and meming and LARPing and all that, CharlotteFang/Miya was an active, long-time moderator and owner of several 8chan /pol/ offshoot imageboard websites and boards, as well as a heavy poster on the original 8chan /pol/, all of which have connections to neo-Nazi mass shootings, including one attempted mass shooting of a synagogue (who Miya and friends affectionately refer to as "doorcuck" because he failed to breach the door of the synagogue and resigned himself to murdering some nearby civilians instead).

Plus a perusal of their old Twitter makes it very obvious exactly where their sympathies lie. It's all Savitri Devi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi) type stuff.

Some kinds of organizations require some level of distrust in their culture. And the issue seems to really lie with how the employer handles past drug use. My understanding is many organizations, including some government agencies, tend to be fairly lenient about admitted past drug use (depending on many factors like how long ago it was and the kind of drug).

I think in an ideal world, questions about past use would never be asked and drug tests would be strictly limited to determining if someone is high/drunk on the job. The fundamental problem is employers losing potentially valuable employees due to their unnecessary and invasive drug policies. The polygraph isn't to blame.

>We can't say, as a society, that something is ok in one scenario, but say it's bullshit when it matters.

Sure we can.

Sometimes carefully crafted bullshit can be ok. For example, when countries conduct diplomacy, or when poker players bluff, or when intelligence agencies need to hire someone and attempt to scare them into telling the truth or trick them into revealing a lie.

The court system is not a place that should tolerate any kind of bullshit (though like most systems, it sadly does to an extent), so it's different.

Not him. I made a throwaway because of the nature of the discussion and to eliminate the very small chance he or someone else could infer who I might be. No point giving them my main account's history to help them guess.

I'm not a fan of his at all. I do think he and his talents are interesting, and he's arguably one of the most notorious black hats of the past 5 years. I spoke nicely of him to counterbalance the listing of objectively very unethical crimes he committed against people and organizations. I did not mean "this guy stole credit cards" in an adulating way - I meant the opposite.

Google "Julius Kivimaki" / zeekill. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33442419

Member/associate of HTP and Lizard Squad, hacked Linode (at least once), Lenovo, the Python wiki, some game companies; called in a bomb threat on a plane a Sony executive was flying (might've just been a friend of his who did that, can't remember), DDoSed video game services and 8chan for ages, possibly involved with the creation of the GayFgt and Mirai botnets, and much more. Got off scot free because he did it all before he turned 18.

I believe his use of ryan / ryanlol is a mocking reference to Ryan Cleary, whom he hated and considered incompetent. (Could be wrong.) It may have an (unintentional?) double meaning, since that's also the name of the aforementioned "friend" who secretly snitched on him and led to his detainment.

Nothing against the guy. He's intelligent and a good HN commenter. By sheer coincidence I sat in many disparate IRC channels under different aliases over the years that he would always seem to find his way into (probably not a coincidence in retrospect; he just loves IRC). He was very open about most things and generally appeared to be driven by e-cred, revenge/competition, and comedy over financial gain. But some people say he was involved with carding, too. No idea if that's true.

edit: Looks like he recently admitted to (light) carding as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14884487

I don't really understand why people have an issue with polygraphs. They're pretty effective for the sole task they're designed for. As long as people don't try to involve them in legal cases (or otherwise use them as a genuine barometer for honesty), what's the problem?

That just looks like standard IRC bantz though. Do you know if he was actually trying to sell/weaponize the malware he was developing? (I assume he was, given the indictment, but can't hurt to ask.)

Weren't you detained in a similar way when you traveled to the US to attend Defcon (without the arrest part)? Are you able to discuss how that all went down?