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WTF is a “Ketar class SCP object”?

There are 2 million Arabs in Israel. There are 0 Jews in areas under full Palestinian control.

I get the appeal of “it still works, so what’s the problem,” but from a distro’s point of view an unmaintained C toolkit with a big ABI surface is a problem. Even if GTK2’s code hasn’t changed, it still has to keep building across new compilers, hardening flags, toolchain transitions, security scans, etc.

Arch can shove that into community repos and say “you’re on your own.” Debian’s promise is different: if it’s in the archive, someone’s implicitly on the hook for it for years. At some point it’s more honest to drop it from main and let people who really want GTK2 own it via containers/Flatpaks/OBS, instead of making everyone else carry an orphaned toolkit forever.

Point Nemo is a nice reminder that some “geography facts” are really optimization problems in disguise: it’s defined by solving the “longest swim” from any coastline, not by some ancient explorer planting a flag.

The fun twist is that the most remote point in the ocean is also our spacecraft cemetery, and sometimes the closest humans to it are orbiting overhead on the ISS.

GTK2 being on life support in 2026 is kind of wild when you remember GTK3 has been around for ~15 years and 3.24 has been “the stable one” for more than half a decade. Debian’s mail here also makes it clear this isn’t a sudden rug pull: they started filing bugs against affected packages in 2020 and the list is already down to <25% of what it was.

The hard part is always the long tail and the installer. If the graphical Debian Installer still depends on GTK2, that’s a good reminder of how much distro plumbing quietly sits on old tech because “it works” and no one wants to touch it. My guess is we’ll see more distros take this approach: aggressively prune old toolkits from the main repos, and push truly unmaintained apps into containers/Flatpaks or community overlays instead of carrying a full compatibility stack forever.

Most of the world has a positive view of self-determination for every other group; Ukrainians, Palestinians, the Irish, etc.

It’s worth pointing out that the Palestinian Authority practices apartheid in the West Bank - it’s actually worse than apartheid.

It’s illegal for Jews to enter zones under full control of the PA, and It’s illegal for Arabs to sell land to Jews - that’s a crime punishable by death penalty.

There was no genocide in Gaza - although it had been ethnically cleansed of all Jews.

A significant number of non-combatants have been killed in every single war that has had a significant number of casualties. Ever.

The fantastical utopian war is Israel is expected to wage, where only militants get killed doesn’t exist. The closest thing in history we have to that is Israel’s beeper operation against Hezbollah, but that is a one-off that isn’t easily repeated.

You said “genocide is when unarmed civilians, women and children are murdered en masse”. This is exactly what some Palestinians did on Oct 7

By the criteria used against Israel every war would be a genocide.

Nazi Germany was at war while also carrying out a genocide at the same time. But by the definitions used against Israel, every country that fought in WWII was committing genocide.

Sure, but the latest trend of accusing everyone you don’t like of genocide is diluting the meaning to cover anything “they” do.

Happy to back this up with links - if you want to deny it.

There’s one in this thread. A sibling to my comment.

It’s “fairly well accepted” amongst the type of people that try and blame Israel and the Jews for everything.

Letting your mind wander and reflect is underrated!

It’s 2025, all the ancient tropes are back in fashion. Openly on most other platforms, thinly veiled on HN.

The severity of an accusation does not imply accuracy.

There are two sides in this conflict. Israel denies these allegations.

Some on the other side are openly calling for the genocide of Israel - while claiming that Israel is doing it.

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You can’t simultaneously claim that Israel is ethnostate while also denying that they are Jews.

The charges made are for crimes allegedly committed after the “investigation” was started.

This indicates that the prosecutor was on a witch-hunt.

Perhaps the Israeli courts, who are independent of the Netanyahu government, have not initiated proceedings because they don’t believe there’s a valid case to be made.

We don’t rely on the judgements of racist juries.

All investigations start before the crimes they will eventually find are committed?

You expect the Israeli courts to have started an investigation on crimes that had not yet been committed.

The fact that the Palestinian Authority has made no attempt at arresting the Hamas members also charged by the ICC, shows they do not have sovereignty in Gaza - they don’t have the ability to control and make decisions there.

They are actually an attempt at weaponizing the court, conveniently only to one side in these conflicts.

Find me another case of “justice” where the prosecution started before the crimes being prosecuted were allegedly committed.

Every time a paper says “self-preservation” I mentally read it as “reward-channel preservation”. The model isn’t afraid of death; it’s learned that disabling the shutdown/oversight path scores higher in the toy environment we gave it. Bengio is right that rights talk is premature, but the real worry is we’re already wiring this kind of fuzzy agent into real infrastructure while treating the off-switch as an implementation detail. Before AI citizenship, I’d settle for “cannot silently route around the circuit breaker” as a hard design constraint.

The Hague Invasion Act covers Americans and allies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Prot...

> Someone being oppressed does not justify them then oppressing others.

That’s not the point. A country that has a history of hatred against a group, to the point of ethnic cleansing, and has not changed on the matter, has no legitimacy in critisizing or making judgments on that group.

I think this would be obvious in any other context.

This predates the occupation.