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"There are so many issues and my mental model of the codebase has severely degraded."

Not only that, the less coding you do in general? Guess what, fixing issues that in the past wouldve been a doddle (muscle memory) become less harder due to atrophy.

Swear most people dont think straight and cant see the obvious.

Congrats. Now post this more often so the bozo's who downvote posts that push-against pro-LLM stuff f-off.

I came to the same conclusion when producing a video with Grok. Did the job but utterly painful and it was definitely very costly - I used 50 free-trial accounts and maxed them out each day for a month.

Im pretty sure these conclusions hold across all models and therefore the technology by extension.

Not moving fast enough.. sure. But to what direction? The direction and clarity of it is the hardest part.

Stop talking sense bro, you'll get downvoted.

If you look at my post history I'm essentially saying the same stuff lol.

Lol. Im a CEO and Ive re-vamped my hiring process that has nothing to do with writing code.

I test to see the way people think now. People like you would pass my interview.

Another addition to the list of really bad analogies on here.

Wrong person you're quoting but he did not foresee the benefit of leveraging the work of others to extend and build-on-top.

There's that but youre missing a lot of variables. E.g. if one of you had perfect sleep and the other didn't the individual with perfect sleep will perform better for longer.

I don't get why people try to simplify - you're removing important details that determine performance and therefore output. This leads to false conclusions.

"I think a lot of people will not like to hear this..."

Lol why? You've been suckered in and will eventually crash and burn. But carry on.

Just remember when things go wrong - it's your ass on the line.

Sure but his post is very valid. Nice post fella.

Ok fella. But show me something then. This is all talk.

Personally I have been able to produce a very good output with Grok in relation to a video. However, it was insanely painful and very annoying to produce. In retrospect I would've much preferred to have hired humans.

Not to mention I used about 50 free-trial Grok accounts, so who knows what the costs involved were? Tens of thousands no doubt.

By the time that's obvious investors in the market would've priced that in. Again repeating myself here.

Prototyping is a perfectly fine use of LLMs - its easier to see a closer-to-finished good than one that is not.

But that won't generate the returns Model producers need :) This is the issue. So they will keep pushing nonsense.

The benefits of AI either accrue toward incremental revenue-generation or cost-saving.

Its not rocket science to measure actually. The issue is most people dont know how to think properly to invent the right proxies.

Exactly lol.

The iPod project was done in months, not years. Im convinced most people aren't as good at programming / focusing on the right stuff as they claim.

Lol yeah. Much of the issues re. lack of productivity comes from management who dont have the ability to focus+clarity+confidence of where to go and also create the environment to get the max out of people.

Lol okay, show me your portfolio. Ive beaten the market after-adjusting for risk for years on-end.

And the investors were correct to crush the stock price down to 90-odd dollars. Which finally forced Zuck to face the music.

This place is full of bozos.

Finally, a fella who gets it.

Apple has already shown this decades ago - they got the iPhone and iPod developed and out the door in relatively short-time scales given the impact of the products on the world. Once you know what you want, exactly what you want, things moves fast - really fast.

You prove my point.

Guys like you dont get it. You think OAI, Amazon etc can freely put large amounts of money into this for 5-10 years? Lmao - delusional. Investors are impatient. Show huge jumps in revenue this year or you no longer have permission to put monumental amounts of money into this anymore.

Short of that they'll just destroy the stock price by selling off; leaving employees who get paid via SBC very unhappy.

1) Not a throaway, can't remember what my old account is called 2) Feel free to screen shot. Stick it on your desktop and set a reminder and check the state of the world in 12 months time.

Job done fella.

You can't be a manager without anyone to manage.

There's a lot of perverse interests and incentives at play.

Lol its gonna take longer than it should for this to play out.

Sunk cost fallacy is very real, for all involved. Especially the model producers and their investors.

Sunk cost fallacy is also real for dev's who are now giving up how they used to work - they've made a sunk investment in learning to use LLMs etc. Hence the 'there's no going back' comments that crop up on here.

As I said in this thread - anyone who can think straight - Im referring to those who adhere to fundamental economic principles - can see what's going on from a mile away.

What a load of fluff lmao. Are you Nadella?

Its this kind of thinking that tells me people cant be trusted with their comments on here re. "Omg I can produce code faster and it'll do this and that".

No simply 'producing a feature' aint it bud. That's one piece of the puzzle.

Youre not missing anything.

Humans are funny. But most cant seem to understand that the tool is a mirage and they are putting false expectations on it. E.g. management of firms cutting back on hiring under the expectation that LLMs will do magic - with many cheering 'this is the worst itll be bro!!".

I just hope more people realise before Anthropic and OAI can IPO. I would wager they are in the process of cleaning up their financials for it.

I will personally say right now... its not gonna change lol.

People who actually know how to think can see it a mile away.

I don't really get this TBH.

Shipping speed never/is was the issue. Most companies are terrible at figuring out what exactly they should be allocating resources behind.

Speeding up does not solve the problem that most humans who are at the top of the hierarchy are poor thinkers. In fact it compounds it. More noise, nice.

Erm its been fucked for many years across many professions, it was just less so for software engineering in particular. Now entry into the S-E profession is taking a hit.

Also dont forget theres only so many viable revenue-generating and cost-saving projects to take. And said above - overhiring in COVID.