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s4074433··on Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio
Yes, it would. And if you use black paper, then it is the white ink (I assume you use white ink) that you need to calculate for the data-ink ratio.

Just out of curiosity, what do you use black paper for?

s4074433··on Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio
For sure! It is all about context of use and the audience. I think the pie chart also serves its purpose in the right context and in front of the right audience. I would probably write a much longer article using different charts to illustrate all the various contexts but I don't want to be writing a textbook in the era of short attention spans. In this case, picking a bar chart to illustrate some principles clearly isn't going to satisfy everyone :p

But I will perhaps add a couple more examples based on all the comments and feedback so far. If nothing else I certainly enjoyed getting more people thinking and talking about how we can improve data visualization design!

s4074433··on Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio
This is actually a great paper to read (and as you say, quite recent for this type of review), and it does touch on the topic of "How to Design a Perceptually Efficient Visualization", which I think is most relevant to what an optimal data-ink ratio will provide for the audience (i.e. clarity and reduced amount of clutter). However, the only mention it makes about data-ink ratio (it doesn't do this directly) is that:

"Despite strong calls to declutter visualizations (e.g., Tufte, 1983), there is only mixed evidence that this practice improves aesthetic ratings and little evidence that the prescription affects objective performance. Several studies have measured aesthetic ratings for cluttered versus decluttered charts, and some have shown clear preferences for decluttered versions (Ajani et al., 2021) and others, surprisingly, showing the opposite (Hill et al., 2017; Inbar et al., 2007). Researchers who have found the opposite have typically argued either that viewers’ higher level of familiarity with cluttered charts make those charts more attractive or that decluttered charts that are too minimalistic become boring. Another possibility is that users may prefer particular depiction styles for particular purposes, mindful of their audience and goals (Levy et al., 1996). Objective performance measures, such as the speed with which viewers can compute means across values in a bar graph, also present mixed evidence. For example, that speed can be slightly faster when some forms of “clutter,” such as axis tick marks, are removed but slower when other elements are removed (Gillan & Richman, 1994). Given the large number of design elements that could count as clutter, combined with the large number of tasks that one could complete on a visualization, some have argued that a simple rule for whether to declutter is unlikely to arise and have discouraged further empirical testing given the small and mixed effects found so far (Ajani et al., 2021)."

I am certainly not arguing for the fact that the data-ink ratio is a magic number, but quite the opposite - I believe that even trying to maximize or minimize a ratio is full of dangers and traps, but instead we should understand our design decisions and be aware of its impact in a more considered and objective way. The discussions here suggests people don't believe it is a magic number, but it also shouldn't be discarded when it does have some value.

s4074433··on Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio
I think what you said about 'trying to optimize it' is actually on the spot. I think what too many people try to do is to 'maximize' or 'minimize' it without really understanding the impact of designing based on metrics. But I think what we can do is use a metric to understand some of the impact of our design decisions, and help clarify why it might make sense to do something. Even the best designers will know when it makes sense to break rules (because there are often good reasons to do so).

You are right in that there is a lack of empirical evidence in how to apply the data-ink ratio to design. This is one of the reasons why I am trying to sift through the previous research that makes claims without really testing them properly, so that I can hopefully make better sense of it with better research.

s4074433··on Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio
I think your point illustrates that optimizing data-ink ratio is not as simple as the concept of data-ink sounds, when it comes to best practices for data visualization design.

If you want to encourage people to compare bar heights, you can certainly leave the grey horizontal lines. But if you directly labeled the bars with values then you don't need to scan from the vertical axis across individual bars to do that processing in your head. And if you removed the vertical axis labels that don't represent values being charted while also sorting the categories by their value, you can further remove another step in the process.

The point is that you can try to optimize in either direction of the data-ink ratio, but you should be aiming to just blindly increase or decrease it. Often it ends up making very little difference to the actual ratio value (which relates more to information density), and you need other design techniques to improve clarity and reduce clutter.

s4074433··on Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio
There is a distinction between non-data-ink and redundant data-ink that is being made here. Whereas non-data-ink is usually easier to identify, redundant data-ink is somewhat subjective to how we view the information and process it. But you can argue that something is redundant if removing it doesn't change the amount of information contained within the chart that is required to understand and interpret it. However, you could also argue that different people interpret things differently, and therefore having different ways to do that will have some use.

Rather than trying to create unnecessarily debate, the intent is to try and help people understand the metric beyond a simple value but how the concept can be applied.

More importantly, it is not about simply chasing a perfect value that doesn't exist, but to optimize it within a specific context for your audience.

s4074433··on Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio
I wrote the article thinking that I won't need to explain some of the points explicitly with examples that are going to be subject to some criticism. But of course people who read the article asked for that and so I tried to illustrate some of the points as best as I can, but it is hard to please everyone. Nonetheless, I prefer to try and make a point for the sake of moving towards clarity rather than to continue circling in a place that I am not so happy with at the moment.
s4074433··on Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio
If you only take that idea in one direction then I agree that it is pretty silly. However, the spirit of the visualization suggests finding a balance and optimizing the data-ink ratio rather than searching for a perfect value. If you follow the link you'll find the article I wrote talking about this: https://scienceux.org/articles/data-ink-ideal-vs-minimal

All the points that you make are very much valid, and it is good that you have pointed these things out because I wouldn't want people to follow these principles blindly without thinking about it for themselves.

I haven't considered the 'ratio of integral of norm of gradient of colour' too much (because it is easier to start simple and build on it), but I hope you might consider elaborating on it.

s4074433··on The UX Research Methodology subway map trap
When I saw the UX Research Tools Map 2026 by User Interviews for the first time (I think 2025 was a fantasy map of some sort, a lot of effort spent on it for sure), something that I predicted when I saw the Subway Map to Agile Practices seemed to have come true...
s4074433··on Ask HN: Books Written for Polyglots?
How did you come across this book? Sounds very interesting... I'll have to check it out!
s4074433··on UX StackExchange – less questions, less answers
Even before the AI disruption, the writing was already on the wall for design creativity and professional development.
s4074433··on StackOverflow's Alarming Q+A Drop
The writing was on the wall even before the AI disruption
s4074433··on [dead]
Creativity is a funny thing because most (or too many) people that come to the classes, or perhaps think about coming to the classes, are afraid of it because they don’t believe they’re creative.

I hear that a lot, particularly from blokes that say: “Oh, I’m just not creative.”

s4074433··on Nintendo Wii Themed Portfolio
Nice to see someone put some passion and energy into their portfolio design that is sure to give AI parsers a hard time!
s4074433··on Ask HN: Share your personal website
https://hanakami.art - what is hanakami? You can find out more here: https://origamiusa.org/thefold/article/art-hanakami-or-flowe...

Why would anyone want to fold flower petals into origami? I guess you'll have to read it to find out.

s4074433··on Why senior engineers let bad projects fail
If the author had replaced the term "UX" with design, then the article would make more sense to me. To continue with the misuse of UX in IT to mean fancy and unnecessary design seems quite strange, because design has always been a factor in how successful projects will be (not just the interface but the whole process of delivery on an outcome).
s4074433··on What do you get out of the StackOverflow Dev Survey Results?
I would say so based on the demographic profile: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/developers#profile
s4074433··on What do you get out of the StackOverflow Dev Survey Results?
Just curious what people make out of it since it is probably one of the longer standing surveys across the industry.
s4074433··on [dead]
Thoughts on Parkour and Woodwork
s4074433··on The Art of Hanakami, or Flower-Petal Folding
If you get around to trying this, please let me know and send me an image. I want to keep a record of the types of flowers that you can fold, along with the people who have done this :)
s4074433··on The Art of Hanakami, or Flower-Petal Folding
I can assure you that they are definitely bougainvillea flowers that I folded. In fact there appears to be quite a few varieties and they do possess different colours: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bougainvillea

You are right in that they are difficult to fold, but not because of the size of petals (I fold models no bigger than from a 1cm x 1cm square cut from the petal), but because of the curvature of the petals that makes it difficult to press and work with.

s4074433··on The Art of Hanakami, or Flower-Petal Folding
I can assure you that the coin of this term caused me quite a bit of headache, even though I would prefer to focus on the fact that I am not aware of anyone else folding flower petals into origami, except for one other person who has done this with lotus flower petals.

I have consulted friends in Japan (native Japanese speakers), and even Robert Lang gave me the same comment. It is not my intention to cause controversy with the choice of words, but even the Japan Origami Academic Society would not respond to my request for clarification, so I think this is where a :shrug emoji would go.

s4074433··on The Ten Commandments for Using Hand Tools
Over time, just about every possible mistake has been made (and a few you would not believe were possible). Most of these I have also made myself That old saying about the inevitability of death and taxes needs to be expanded to read the inevitability of death, taxes and mistakes.
s4074433··on Technique: What is it and how do you get it?
When you start to look for what you have done wrong, you will eventually also start to think about how you might go about the work so as to minimse the chances of that mistake happening again. Once you start doing this you have entered the world of technique. This word encompass the way you choose, use and prepare tools and wood, which work methods you adopt, how you organise your workspace, and even the fathomless world of mental attitude.
s4074433··on Reddit as a Teaching Tool?
Sharing information about UX design (and any discussions on related topics) for anyone outside of the industry who is interested. The discussions within the industry are not all that interesting to me at the moment :P
s4074433··on Ask HN: Those of you who've left the SWE world, what did you transition into?
Leaving the tech sector isn't necessarily the solution to your problem. Restructuring your career in a way that is sustainable and viable for you physically and mentally is the challenge that everyone goes through in life. When you are younger, time is on your side while resources are not; the opposite is true when you get older, assuming you have at least tried to consolidate and accrue some resources (people, money and skill/knowledge).

I think most people don't leave IT because they are actually not passionate about something enough to motivate them to take that leap, or they have not tried hard enough and so it leaves them no real choice other than to continue doing what they know best.

It actually doesn't matter what you do as long as you put in an honest effort. Because if you keep at it long enough, it can become something that helps you deal with the stress of the job (rather than giving the money to a psychiatrist), and if you become good enough at it then you will have a natural alternative to turn to if you really can't stand the main job anymore.

I have gone from IT to something that I am passionate about, which is related to mental health, sustainability and actually helping people for a change. It is not easy and I am not there yet, but because I have started early enough, it doesn't feel too painful (it's not the first time I have changed career either) and I am motivated enough to overcome the things that people see as 'problems'.

What are you open to doing that will improve your chances? Would you undertake training or spend time trying out different careers by leveraging your existing skills and knowledge? Maybe education so that you can contribute towards a better future, or building some product or service from what you have mastered in IT?

s4074433··on Ask HN: Slow thinkers, how do you compensate for your lack of quick-wittedness?
Given a choice to pause and ponder versus jumping in and saying something that you might regret, I would always pick the latter.

Most of the time, people who are 'quick-witted' have either come across the situation before and recalled a good response (think chess players memorizing good opening or endgame moves), or that they are actually really good at analyzing and solving a particular type of problem really well (think prodigies that have an abundance of natural talent).

This is something that you can practice by listening to what other people say and analyzing the situation rather than jumping in with a comment of your own.

In time, you'll be the one jumping in with the 'quick-witted' comment.

s4074433··on Ask HN: What topics are good for a UI/UX Primer?
Probably should start with ISO 9241-220:2019 Ergonomics of human-system interaction
s4074433··on Ask HN: What topics are good for a UI/UX Primer?
Ethical design practices anyone?