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More likely you will get another job at a comparable salary and keep your house and your healthcare.

Hold you accountable... how? I asked if you agree or not with those actions. Or, like me, do you find them reprehensible? It's very relevant to FOSS project CoCs, which is what this post is mainly about.

>You talk about disliking tribalism,

Uh, I made reference to you signalling to your tribe, but you should not assume from that that I dislike tribalism.

>Do you not see how you’re behaving in a tribalistic way now?

Not really, but if I am, I'm not embarrassed by it.

Do you think the referenced actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke were proper in the context of an open source project? If you do, I won't "hold you accountable" for those actions, whatever that means. My purpose in bringing it into the discussion is to illustrate what these CoCs are really about. They're about defining which political opinions will be permitted to be expressed, and which ones will bring wrath down on the heads of those expressing them.

https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

Someone, on their personal twitter account, made a remark that Coraline Ada Ehmke found offensive. Coraline noticed that he was a contributor to the Opal project. So Coraline opened an issue on the project, called him an ugly name, and petitioned to have him removed from the project.

I will not quietly submit to bossy bullies like Coraline Ada Ehmke, and I will defend the victims of Coraline Ada Ehmke.

What say you, chickenfries?

Not in the decades I have been observing this industry through my participation in it. In my observation, these past few decades the efforts to increase female and minority employment have far outweighed the rare instances of discrimination I've seen.

> Even today, there are pockets of white males who are virulently against anyone but them having access to their little clubhouses (cf GG for one prime example.)

If they're a "prime example", then why do I have no clue who you're talking about?

He did not boast about it, "effectively" or otherwise. That's a straight-up smear, attacking his character when you can't counter his logic.

Bingo.

James Damore may be the tipping point where people start pushing back against this bullshit. To me, he's Galileo to Google's Catholic Church. He's the heretic that dared to defy the high priests of PC, and he got put on the rack for it.

  > Our community prides itself on niceness. What a code 
  > of conduct does is define what we mean by nice.

So you're assuming because of my opinion, I would not treat you fairly?

Of course! Anyone who deviates from the SJW line is de facto a bad person! There's no need for logic and reasoning when you deal with people like me! Just cast aspersions on my character and signal your virtue to the rest of your tribe!

I don't take issue with it. I responded with the answer it merited.

>It certainly sounds from your own words that you do not care about people being discriminated against.

Uh, no. I have not seen any evidence to support that discrimination against women or minorities in tech is pervasive. Quite the opposite, in fact. People keep making that claim, however, expecting it to be uncritically accepted at face value. And those who don't, well, they must just be one of those bad people who are happy to see people get discriminated against.

Oh please. For decades, in the US, there have been programs designed to attract women and minorities to engineering and tech careers. I am of the opinion* that in 2018, women or minorities who are are not in tech, are not in tech because of choices they freely made. Any remnants of discrimination are negligible compared to the advantages that have been heaped upon them.

*I'm sure many disagree with the opinion expressed above, and that's OK. I'm sure many also agree with it. But I would bet that holy hell would break loose if I were to express that opinion in a discussion forum of a FOSS project that has been co-opted by the SJW scolds. And your opinion, which I was responding to, would be permitted.

This is a typical SJW non-argument, built atop a non-sequitur. Implying that I'm happy that people get discriminated against, while offering no logic to back it up. I disagree with you, therefore I am a bad person with bad motives. And that's what's driving this whole SJW-CoC movement.

What I am well and truly fed up with is the implication that it is pernicious behavior on the part of white males that is responsible for this state of affairs. And that's not necessarily relevant to this particular SJW dustup, but in general it is what's implied, when it's not stated explicitly (as it often is).

What do I think about those people? I think they're insufferably bossy people who insult me by telling me what I need to think about more.

Not me. I would perfectly comfortable interacting with such a person, because I'm a mature, professional adult who is not a fragile child that needs to be treated like a kindergartner. I will go out of my to not work with the adult babies who think the world should revolve around them, and have to politicize every aspect of life.

This part is meaningless:

> Posting sexually explicit or violent material.

because virtually everyone would agree that's not appropriate. You don't need a CoC for that. The entire purpose of these CoC's is to get people to do this:

> Be careful in the words that you choose

IOW, say something we don't like, and you're gone.

  The community change I cannot take is how the social injustice
  movement has permeated it. When I joined llvm no one asked or cared
  about my religion or political view. We all seemed committed to just
  writing a good compiler framework.

Thanks. First I've heard that one.

What's an "IC"?

Being an adult who needs to have "a few roommates" to afford rent is not compatible with my idea of a nice life.

Also, if you're trying to work for a big tech name or some hip startup, go for the enterprise IT shop instead. A bank, insurance company, hospital system, grocery store chain, etc. Because working in those places is considered unsexy, and they know it, they have to be more flexible than the places that are flooded with resumes from hotshot coders. Again, that's how I got my foot in the door. Work there for a year or two, do well, learn as much as you possibly can, and you'll be firmly established on the career ladder.

Well, whatever they said, they started off with "OOP theory essentially says that..."

So, if it's OO theory, I'd appreciate if someone could provide me a reference that shows that it's OO theory, and not just someone's personal opinion.

>I wouldn't go so far to say "never subclass", but I'd say most of the time, you won't need to subclass.

Yeah, I would agree with that. A lot of OOP mechanisms like inheritance, or design patterns, get overused a lot. I'm not saying it's what you were doing, but I've seen it mostly in code written by newish programmers. It seems that once the concepts of OOP click in their mind, they get excited and eager to put them to work, so they use them where they're not really appropriate. I was definitely guilty of that, way back in the day. But once the novelty wore off, and I realized that I was just creating over-architected messes, I quit doing it.

Got a reference for that? I've heard "prefer composition over inheritance" (GoF) but never have I heard that classes should never be subclassed.

You must not have put much effort into the search. I have been in many small towns that have had thriving downtowns and vibrant communities. But I've also been in many dead ones, where the local economy was decimated with the demise of a major employer. Maybe that's more the rule than the exception where you're from.

How do you know this?

Actually, I doubt that Microsoft tech leads are as special as all that.

Not the GP, but I think GP was referring to the dismay expressed over having one's friends move away to the suburbs.

How so? Does the article say?