reybango

You may want to try to build your own online service or product. You'll have accountability to customers which is obviously important but you'll also have more flexibility in your schedule.

Seems to be working for me. Weird. Maybe a momentary hiccup?

What's the tool/project? If it's popular and you're struggling, a lot of folks may not know about it and may step up to help out.

All I'm saying is that we go to great lengths to get companies OFF the CV list. If they're on it, it's for a reason. We can't update their code for them.

It's also possible that Google made a change to their SERPs that didn't go nicely with the docmode IE11 is rendering it in.

Again you're full of assumptions.

We're very proactive in our compat outreach and we've had numerous conversations with sites like Google. Sites like Google are VERY aware of the CV list & the modes they're rendering in; it's not a surprise to them.

Don't assume we're doing something nefarious when it's not the case. We have nothing to gain (and a lot to lose) by breaking one of the top web properties, even if they're a competitor.

Here's a more plausible scenario. Google may have made a change to their SERPs which didn't work great in the docmode that IE11 is rendering it in. Nothing intentional, nothing nefarious on either company's part.

I think that's a more reasonable explanation than the concerns you're expressing.

Google's been on the list well before the public GA release of IE11 to ensure compatibility.

If it had worked fine, it would never have been added in the first place. We don't add sites arbitrarily to the list. It's based on actual compat testing. Also every site on the list can request to be removed so if Google had tested in IE11 and discovered all was great, it's very easy for them to contact us to remove them from the list.

You're making an assumption that Microsoft are the blocker. Let's just say that it's a two-way street when it comes to communication.

"For a site like Google, I see no reason why Microsoft should have put it into compatibility mode- I have to assume that Google does testing on IE and any bugs should have been addressed quickly by Google."

Unfortunately, we see otherwise during our compat testing here at Microsoft on many occasions.

Are you saying that because it's actually crap or you just don't want to spend money on software?

Does that matter?

Could you ask Stuart to email me a test case so I can look at it? We tried looking for a way to get a hold of him but couldn't find any short of a general email address on the company site.

reybango at microsoft [dot] com

Being totally new to RoR (trying to learn it), I'm trying to get my head around the scope of this.

When did the compromise happen? Was it compromised yesterday or only found out yesterday?

I have default gems installed on my system and haven't updated anything since the last big Rails security issue that was reported a bit ago.

It'd be great to get some guidance on what to do.

Being totally new to RoR (trying to learn it), I'm trying to get my head around the scope of this.

When did the compromise happen? Was it compromised yesterday or only found out yesterday?

I have default gems installed on my system and haven't updated anything since the big Rails security issue that was reported a bit ago.

It'd be great to get some guidance on what to do.

That's the plan. :)

And no state income tax.

Definitely more awesome code out there but I think you're seeing that from a VERY vocal minority of developers who are 1) very vested in the OSS community, 2) love to share code and 3) are pushing to get the most out of JavaScript.

As I think John eluded to, there's a number of developers that don't fall into any of these buckets and a book like this would certainly be useful to them. I was with John on the jQuery team and I know that I'll be picking up a copy of this since I'm sure I'll find some nugget of awesomeness in there that will make it worth the price.

Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine in IE http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3945353

Possibly. Just seems odd that specific things are added but others aren't.

None that I know of but the books I listed will teach you the JavaScript language itself which would carry over to SSJS.

@kls: Thanks. Crockford's book is certainly good which is why it was part of the bigger list. For me personally, I much preferred the 3 books I listed because I've found more value to them.

Appreciate the feedback though and thank you for reading the post.

Thanks for the reply. Before joining MS in March, I was building web apps just like most of the commenters here and I'd like to try to get feedback to the IE team if I can to make that app development easier.

The IE9 Platform Preview 2 has gotten positive reviews and it seems like the team is listening so I think it makes sense to keep talking and asking.