realaaa

thanks for the comment ! will read that now

however whether or not this improves their team - who knows! team dynamics is a hard thing to achieve, not just throwing good people in the same bucket ..

maybe it's good ! we go back to real world

and immediately followed up with Manifesto from the man himself - what / how are they going to make of it longer term?

I guess for FOSS and self hosted it is good - but I am still wondering how are they going to Meta-stasize it ;)

wow ... this has got to be illegal, right, right ??

sleeeeeeek

wow all that is music to my ears ! and yes, attention problem is too real these days, for most of us - thanks for sharing this !

with all this let's not forget that this is not about just smashing Bambu as fun as it may seem to zerg rush them (they are still a good company overall I am guessing so - but don't know enough about them)

the real goal here as Louis stated himself is this https://consumerrights.wiki/w/DMCA_Section_1201

good article ! guy should be writing instead of IT delivery

in some ways it was cool to grow up without too much supervision eh?

AI marketing goes ballistic now

clear communication is very important

as well as giving users the rightful choice about such things

bad call

yeah yeah or we can do it from a contained virtual environment over VPN etc

it is a different angle of looking at this issue, and kind of shifts responsibility from their shitty practices over to us users

slippery slope approach, as we can see everywhere, this leads to more and more of such

I don't know I just started mocking everything and anything in there, its wall of shite and AI slop predominantly anyways, so why bother

ahahah yes I remember those comments yes

qualifications - confirmed ! solid :)

organise a good old 90s style LAN party ! with Doom or Dune Nukem etc

that will be a blast

yeah some social interactions are 100% needed, even for hard core introverts

like - never ever used coal power?? very hard to believe this...

> Never used coal power: Albania, Cyprus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Switzerland, Norway

I don't know why it has to be black & white - modern coal plants I am sure are less pollutant than renewables once you factor in total costs of installation & replacement etc

100% agreed on this

this is the reason I never was keen on StackOverflow etc

tried posting there several times, many times actually - every time some annoying condition was not met

well screw you too then! walked away and never bothered to contribute again

good summary here - https://elephas.app/resources/anthropic-rsp-v3-policy-change

indeed this needs to be updated a lot more often with the pace everything is moving..

wow! but this felt like end of the story - here is LLM summary of timeline - sharing as is

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Here’s the chronology that the HN thread id=47092006 is about, based on the linked Ars Technica article and related sources.

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## 1. What “started the argument”?

The core dispute starts from a 2023 blog post by engineer Jani Patokallio on his site Gyrovague, investigating who is behind archive.today. That post, plus later FBI interest, led to:

1. A *GDPR/takedown campaign* against the blog post. 2. An *apparent DDoS* launched from archive.today’s CAPTCHA page against his blog. 3. *Threats* from the archive.today operator (“Nora”) to associate Patokallio’s name with AI porn and other harassment. 4. *Discovery that archive.today had altered archived pages* to insert Patokallio’s name. 5. A *Wikipedia RfC* and decision to deprecate and blacklist archive.today links.

The Hacker News thread you referenced is about the final step: Wikipedia’s decision to remove ~695,000 archive.today links.

---

## 2. Timeline of the situation

```mermaid timeline title archive.today – Wikipedia controversy chronology

    2012-2015 : Site founded as archive.is; later branded archive.today
    2023-08-05 : Patokallio publishes investigation into archive.today’s ownership
    2025-10-30 : FBI subpoena to archive.today’s registrar (Tucows)
    2025-11-05 : Heise reports FBI subpoena, links to Patokallio’s 2023 post
    2026-01-08 : GDPR complaint from “Nora” to Automattic re Patokallio’s post
    2026-01-10 : archive.today webmaster emails Patokallio asking for temporary takedown
    2026-01-11 : DDoS from archive.today CAPTCHA page against Gyrovague begins
    2026-01-14 : First public HN report about weird/DDoS behavior from archive.today
    2026-01-21 : gyrovague.com added to DNS blocklists used by ad blockers
    2026-01-25 : Email exchange escalates; “Nora” threatens AI porn, “gay dating app”, “Nazi grandfather”
    2026-02-01 : Patokallio publishes detailed timeline and DDoS disclosure
    2026-02-07 : Wikipedia RfC opens on archive.today links
    2026-02-10 : Ars Technica reports on DDoS and Wikipedia considering blacklist
    2026-02-19 : DDoS code still present in archive.today CAPTCHA page (per Wikipedia guidance)
    2026-02-20 : RfC closed; consensus to deprecate/blacklist archive.today
    2026-02-20–21 : Major outlets report Wikipedia’s blacklist; guidance page created

```

So, in the terms of your question:

- *What started the argument* was Patokallio’s 2023 investigation into archive.today’s ownership, which later coverage of the FBI subpoena amplified. - The *direct trigger for Wikipedia’s action* was the combination of: - The *DDoS* launched from archive.today against his blog. - The *threats* (AI porn, harassment) against him. - Evidence that the *archive’s content had been tampered with*, violating Wikipedia’s trust in it as a citation source.【turn4fetch0】【turn9find1】

let's go to Mastodon ! err.. or other thing

shit, let's just go outside

well this was bound to happen of course - and I guess Anthropic crossed wires with him a bit after Clawd etc bickering

furthermore Sam Altman desperately needs something cool again at OpenAI

interesting study ! however yes without real life application + internet access for the model, it is a bit of that n-dimensional horse in a vacuum kind of study

yes indeed, not everything needs a hyper-scale cluster and k8s and cloudflare etc !

first they were discriminating against noobs, then ze Russians, now AI bots - we are living in some fun times!

good, quality rant ! lots of people can relate I am sure - but yes, this is a change we all need to adapt to now

Yours Truly Captain Obvious

great context - thanks ! so yeah maybe Overleaf is the way to go now :)

interesting essay yes !

recently I have seen more and more of such coming from Anthropic (AI constitution for example also) - which is good I think, need to discuss those things and effect on our today and tomorrow

the only major thing I disagree there is making it political - i.e. we, the good guys, should be guarding it versus China (or Russia etc) who will surely use it in a dark way

the question here is really global I think, and should be treated as such - all his points are very valid questions indeed..

on AI country (will it become Sky net?) and security (crazy weirdos making bio weapons using AI?) and unemployment caused by it (what are we going to do soon?) and abuse of power by governments using it (even things like Palantir and similar initiatives) plus social implications (brain rot? or adjustment to new reality)

this is the way ! thanks for that, still on my list also, even though I know all the steps, it's just .. daunting

I think they also lay extra fiber strings for that reason as well, most cost is doing this, some extra wires will always be helpful !