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That is semantics and they are strongly comparable with their input and output. Distillation is different to finetuning.

Sure, you could say that only running the 600+b model is running "the real thing"...

You can run the quantized versions of DeepSeek locally with normal hardware just fine, even with very good performance. I have it running just now. With a decent consumer gaming GPU you can already get quite far.

It is quite interesting that this censorship survives quantization, perhaps the larger versions censor even more. But yes, there probably is an extra step that detects "controversial content" and then overwrites the output.

Since the data feeding DeepSeek is public, you can correct the censorship by building your own model. For that you need considerably more compute power though. Still, for the "small man", what they released is quite helpful despite the censorship.

At least you can retrace how it ends up in the model, which isn't true for most other open weight models, that cannot release their training data due to numerous reasons beyond "they don't want to".

Mastodon mods being that happy to ban people is the reason for me I never even bothered. And their behavior reflects on any instance, technically correct or not.

I can just as well use a Discord channel because economic interests are at least predictable and the same rules apply to anyone more or less. Or I could use a reddit sub with my political alignment because mods there are equally ban happy as well.

I would take a lot to convince me that members on prominent Mastodon instances are curious about other opinions, but something in the larger picture just doesn't add up.

That is fine though, but Mastodon currently cannot be a place for everyone, regardless of technical possibilities. And it should be said that a lot of Mastodon users were involved in the witch hunt against Stallman, so at least some of the prominent users seem to be toxic.

Surprised they didn't rename it to "Golf Of Peace And Freedom And Cuba".

> Your idea of a perfect date is explaining why everyone should run their own email server

That is the price for living in a better world!

I have a young account because I forgot the pwd of my old one and that is probably because for my old account it says...

> You probably use a flip phone and tin foil hat to avoid big tech surveillance

...I didn't provide a mail info for HN, famously part of big tech.

The Chinese company also released the means to correct this though.

The CEO did gave a statement about their motivation. Could be a lie, but he delivered and it is also vastly more sensible that what we often hear from other companies. Google and Meta are an exception for this space though.

Also, because not only the weights, but also the data is open, any propaganda can be identified and corrected. This is not the case for other models and what we have seen from Gemini, there certainly are "adaptations". I don't think Google had ill intent here, but this would fit what some would classify as propaganda.

Which is ironic because Google needs to improve their reputation about sunsetting early. This is one of the main arguments for why many businesses for why they do not employ their alternatives

Or any leading CEO in recent times. Could of course be the usual deceit, but at least in this case he already delivered.

All I heard from OpenAI was that we need regulation which maybe happen to fit their business interest.

The thinking is quite fascinating though, I love reading it. Especially when it notices something must be wrong. It will probably be very helpful to refine answer for itself and other models.

It does add latency of course, but I still think that I could provide all AI needs of my company (industrial production) with a simple older off the shelf PC. My GPU is decently recent, but the smallest model of the series and otherwise the machine is a rusty bucket.

I didn't test it thoroughly yet, but I have some invoices where I need to extract info and it did a perfect job until now. But I don't think there is any LLM yet that can do that without someone checking the output.

That was perhaps a bit too general, but aside from meta and Google they didn't share their research and tried to sell AI products as fast as possible and tried to lobby legislation to keep their head start. I would also include nvidia here, that has some moat through software integrations.

I haven't tested deepseek for censorship yet, but they shared their release and even their input data. And in this case you could correct its shortcomings, so propaganda would be difficult.

Not on my machine currently, I use the 14b Q4 model I think, which delivers very good answers. I run a 4060 with 16gb memory and performance is quite good. I used the largest model that was recommended with this amount of VRAM, I think it was the 14b one.

I do have some applications that process images, text and pdf files and I use smaller models for extracting embeddings. I think my system wouldn't be able to handle it with decent speed otherwise.

I do run LLM on a M1 16gb macbook air and performance is surprisingly good. Not for image synthesis though and a PC with a dedicated GPU is still significantly faster with LLM responses as well. Haven't tried to run deepseek on the macbook yet.

Oh yes, I am firmly on Team China here because US companies got too greedy. Meta is an exception here though and they also propelled AI development massively.

DeepSeek is awesome. Any AI task yet implemented in our business can be run from my local PC with just the smaller models. And my PC is fairly crappy to begin with.

OpenAI looks quite silly with their "we have to close everything".

Is there already something more advanced than langchain? I haven't really seen many integrated AI applications aside from bots of course.

Did Microsoft fire engineers? I heard they had difficulties recruiting ones in the first place.

We still have no AIs developing anything, they aren't even sensibly integrated in workflows where only written texts need to be parsed and processed.

> Where have I heard this before?

Maybe in EU legislation where this privileged access is now mandated by law for every certified fact checker.

Although these aren't conventional fact checkers, they just "flag" content.

> Trusted flaggers are public and private actors with privileged access to internet platforms through which they can identify illegal and harmful content. Before DSA, trusted flaggers existed as a voluntary system.

https://www.techpolicy.press/building-trust-in-the-digital-s...

> diverse funding streams

They are not independent enough and would develop their own interests.

> narrative of persecution that serves fascistic rhetorical goals.

Yeah, fascists are known to flag content too. Otherwise this is complete conjecture.

> no institution can be trusted

No institution, which will always be dependent on government funding and special legislation, can be trusted to moderate internet content. That much is true.

To be honest, they aren't the ones that started it. I remember sites like reddit removing subs with fans of Donald Trump and Twitter censorships was very prevalent as well. You might disagree that liking Trump is a good choice, I cannot dispute that, but nevertheless people fell over themselves to ban it everywhere.

I don't think this kind of revanchist behavior is sensible, but it also isn't "blocking democracy" either. Or at least someone would need an honest attempt explaining why such removals are unjustified and in a way that addresses shortcomings here for all platforms and political directions.

Government influence on online discourse is a negative, you could argue that voting for an idiot is then the next best compromise.

I believe there was a lot of interest that wanted to contain user voices as much as possible.

Some say there would be something like a professional critic. For literature that certainly is true since you can only draw comparisons by being familiar with a broad selection of media.

But on the other hand, one that is sadly more relevant these days, such critics aren't necessarily independent and can more easily be manipulated by the usual media power players or other interests.

Surprisingly IMDB still was very useful at first, despite being bought by Amazon pretty early. But they more and more removed user content and now their reviews are as authentic as biting on a piece of plastic.

IMDB got less relevant, rotten tomatoes got more popular. Now the mistakes are repeated and we hopefully get a more free platform again soon. I really like the old style "every user has equal weight" approach. I accept that there is brigading and spam attacks that can manipulate a score. That is information as well and it is easy to see the patterns and I probably watch something that is a polarizing 5/10.

I think they have a responsibility to honor the constitutions of respective countries and not do that at all.

Seriously, this undermines my belief that an international institution like Europol can work if not heavily constrained to be a bridge between executive forces of cooperating countries.

Some members of Europol do good work to fight international crime, which includes criminal online networks. I believe they need wiser leadership that accepts constraints and realities of their tools and use these to the best of their abilities.

Encryption, including end-to-end encryption for confidential communication is a very important mechanism for democracies that cannot be given away for ambitions of crime fighting organizations that do not have democratic legitimacy to access any form of communication.

I doubt this is meant as a nazi salute at all. This is click and outrage bait. I did not flag this article, but I believe many question the honesty here.

Nah, that won't do it. Even if you had a rare false positive rate, it would be significantly higher for players with a profile similar to ones that trigger bans.

It would be even worse than the bans some developers hand out now because their inherit randomness would be essentially just that. Not acceptable for any form of service.

True and I do distribute machines where I can and people are generally very happy about it. MacOS is still a very useful system compared to iOS. I hope they adapt the latter to the former and not the other way around.

Basically the idea of hardware/software attestation.

This is the "security" people try to sell you with secure boot mechanisms and signed software.

Don't use media that relies on it for your own sake.

Anyone who wants to learn coding cannot do so in a locked down environment. This is why an iPad is actually detrimental to digital competency in the long run compared to personal computers. They aren't even safer, since these devices often have payment information baked into their being and your kid spending roblox bucks.

Also, you cannot experiment in a safe environment. Safe environments are adequate if your are infantile. But you stay that way if you don't get freedom.

That isn't true. People made fun of software that showed ads. Exception was shareware, but it did that only for the software itself.

The braindead hordes accepting things they couldn't really understand did have a negative effect on overall quality.

Just before someone argues against the misanthropy in my comment, some of my most loved family members belong to the braindead horde. I love them, but their failure in education makes the landscape worse for everyone. And it is also very visible and not something imaginary.

Today we accept our OS spying on us, showing us ads, paternalizing its users with updates and the whole mobile catastrophe is a dilemma in itself. Smartphones are powerful devices but the software landscape disabled a whole dimension of software and is responsible for unnecessary waste.

Yes, it got worse on the software department. A few less driver issues because a lot of companies and hardware suppliers were consolidated is not a win.

And honestly, it isn't really hard to notice these changes at all.

Google is a good example. It didn't have better search, but its site wasn't plastered in ugly advertising from top to bottom. This was quite a factor in its success. Clean, fast, good. Not the nightmare it did on Android, where every app onboarding is a horror story in a thousand popups. There are profound differences in quality, intelligence and ability.

I cannot say that this works as flawless as some would advertise, with just as script running every 90 days. Some services do not load certificates while running and must be restarted. That alone can be a hassle.

Some software now uses short lived certificates and even with decent configurations, there is an elevated level of problems specifically because of certificates. Especially in networks that use a lot of segmentation with very restricted network traffic.

I think a short lifetime can be a security benefit, but it should not become a dogma. It should be employed where it really makes sense but as a general rule inconvenient describes it quite well.

Crowd funded knowledge worked brilliantly for a time, people generally didn't try to manipulate it for political goals. These times sadly seem to be over.

Sure, it was never perfect and there still was bias, but today wikipedia is very unreliable for everything that somehow either touched the news cycle or is of interest of state actors. The latter often was restricted to specific languages, but today there are propaganda service provider that offer the whole package.

Iran lost influence in Lebanon and Syria and these countries, for now at least, pose a much smaller threat to Israel. Perhaps we will even see normalizations in the nearer future.

Leaders in the middle east are also driven by their constituents, which still harbor a lot of resentment against Israel, but that will pass as well. I think this was the last chance of a significant insurgency to reorder powers in the middle east and Iran and its proxies lost a lot of influence.

Houthis have a strategic position and Yemen probably has one of the largest market for illegal weapons. But their capabilities are very limited and their raison d'être is a death cult with no future. At some point other Yemini forces will take charge.

For Israel it seems possible to strike through Iraq with some effort, and technically they are still at war after Iraq attacked Israel in . But that war is quite cold and there is some exchange at least with the Kurdish part of Iraq.

The Hebron, Mufti of Jerusalem and arab nationalism. The recent synagogue attacks, the examples are so countless that we even have an extra word for it. Oy vey, indeed, if you think that underlines your point.

> Taking hostages has practical benefits.

So is leveling a country if you want to demonstrate consequences of an attack.

We should not argue like this, but this is the level you propose and demand with your justifications for terrorist attacks.