radlad

> Ah, the "just asking questions" defence. Wonderful.

The text you quoted does not lean on asking questions as a defense. For the third time, I'm pointing out that the word "amoral" is not a character judgment.

I'm also not sure where you're getting that interpretation from. In fact, in your last comment, you said you were only "questioning their boycott."

> Fun fact, saying someone is without morals is also an ad hominem attack.

I'm not sure how to be any more clear that that's "immoral" (without morals) and not "amoral" (uninterested in morals).

> At no point during this exchange did they explain that they "researched the Iceweasel project before choosing it" or "explained how they evaluate projects" (both quoting you).

"Yes" and "I have been in the scene for years, and I have researched and sourced carefully" was a clear reply to you asking if they had done their research. It may not be satisfactory to you, but the question was answered. (They actually previously explained more about their research but edited out.)

I don't think we're going to see eye to eye, but it was nice chatting with you.

> Okay, let's say that I do the same thing: I fork Ladybird and give it a new name (Ladybug) and a new icon. Maybe I swap out the IO library for whatever reason. Does that free Ladybug from upstream's drama? Can 1attice now safely use Ladybug knowing that it respects human rights because Ladybird is a mere dependency?

Once again, you seem to be missing the point. It's not a simply a matter of moral purity. OP is interested in projects where they and their friends feel welcome in the community: to submit bugs, to contribute, or just to use the tool. DHH's views on race (https://web.archive.org/web/20250925050154/https://world.hey...) - and pronouns - make that difficult for some people.

While I don't personally submit pull requests to change documentation which refers to users with male pronouns, I do always find it jarring and confusing when I come across gendered language in that context. I guess the best way to put it is that I find it "illogical" and so I double-take. In technical documentation, it seems sensible to reduce confusion through accurate terminology, politics aside. So, DHH's stance that using a non-gendered term for a userbase that consists of more than one gender is woke "politics", seems to me to be it's own form of virtue signaling - virtues which make me feel unwelcome contributing.

> You're unsure whether their ad hominem was an attack on my character, but you are certain that me questioning their boycott was an attack? Huh?

I don't think that saying someone "might be amoral" is an ad hominem, especially in the this context: in this thread you criticize "the usual moralistic response" in defense of "combating Chromium/Firefox's hegemony" - a technical goal. You may be thinking of the word immoral instead, which would certainly be an ad hominem attack.

> amoral: having or showing no concern about whether behavior is morally right or wrong

You went beyond "questioning their boycott" when you stated assumptions like this:

> > What I'm assuming is that 1attice is boycotting public statements, not actual impact.

When OP and others explained how they evaluate projects, you haven't demonstrated a willingness to genuinely understand them. It seems you are more interested in proving that they are illogical. But in fact it's OK to disagree and have different goals.

> because what does the maintainer being a bit chuddy have to do with combating Chromium/Firefox's hegemony?

Perhaps OP is more concerned with how humans interact with each other than Chromium/Firefox's hegemony. Perhaps combating the hegemony is only worthwhile to OP if the incumbent treats its users with equal respect.

OP described that they researched the Iceweasel project before choosing it. I assume this means looking for things like a CoC, and watching how maintainers respond to users.

When you point out that every person at Mozilla may not behave the same way, it misses OP's point. He's not interacting with the Mozilla community - he's interacting with Debian's Iceweasel community.

I don't know if you're amoral or not - that's not a judgment I'm prepared to make. I caution you not to confuse the word "amoral" (not caring about the morality - as it sounds you may not) with "immoral" (not being moral yourself.) I'm not sure it was an attack on your character.

That said, a thread that begins "Fair enough. What browser are you using?" and then devolves into an attack as to whether it's dependencies support OP's views does not appear to be made in good faith.

Some people don't allow imperfection to stop them from achieving their goals to the best of their ability. Your takedown of Iceweasel completely misses the point.

Yes! North American pawpaw are totally different from what we refer to as papaya.

And all the LLMs are trained on it.

I believe you meant to cite the Opus 5.5 System Card which states:

> Claude Opus 5.5 scored 66.36% on Terminal-Bench 4.0 with safeguards enabled; requests flagged by the safeguards were answered by a fallback model following the default server-side fallback policy (2.5% of requests, affecting 10% of trials).

> https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/fc1b44717c85dc068bc6ba50242199...

I cannot find a Sonnet 5.5 system card.

IRCv3 aimed to do this, with mixed results.

> If there are regulations, they'll apply to their competitors too.

In the US anyway. Why wouldn't capital move jurisdictions?

> the AI hype bubble _is_ the economy - or one third of it, at least.

The closest claim to this I could find was:

> the top ten stocks account for more than one-third of the value of the US Market Index, which contains 1,161 companies.

And while the top ten stocks are largely companies that work on AI, it's not all they do: Microsoft, Meta, Amazon, Apple...

Sony Playstation will only let you setup a passkey if you disable password auth.

But I have not found any way to use my browser's passkey to login on my PS5. I can scan a QR code, but that requires logging into the mobile app with a passkey. And I can't add one to my mobile phone because I can't login on mobile... the passkey is on my laptop, and it won't autofill from 1Password (Android).

I had a similar idea but as a marketplace for agents to purchase from. Many AI tasks involve building a pipeline as step 1. If everyone is building the same pipelines, why not offer them as a service? If it's cheaper per token, and maybe higher quality...

I then started wondering how agents could submit benchmarks and request bids in a verifiable manner.

I got this wrong yesterday. While LUKS2 and GRUB now support Argon2, I configured LUKS1, which uses PBKDF2-SHA512.

In any case, it is GRUB which behaves slowly during boot. While I haven't tested Argon2, I believe it is affected in the same way as PBKDF2.

I'm reminded of LUKS Argon2 implementation, which is much slower than userspace. Therefore a sufficiently difficult challenge that may take less than a second in userspace Linux can take 20 or more seconds at boot.

You can create a custom filter for this kind of thing, fwiw.

I have an MSI OLED monitor, and if I accidentally turn it off (trying to find the input switcher), and then back on, it shows this warning.

But it automatically runs when it's turned off. The warning is shown because I interrupted it running early.

The warning, for my purposes, is completely useless, and only an annoyance. The automatic feature is more than enough, and I don't need to know if it was aborted early.

On censored inputs only.

> What makes this build different is the word before FP8: uncensored. We applied abliteration — orthogonalizing the refusal direction out of the residual stream — to remove the model's safety-alignment refusals. The result is a model that will comply with requests the original would refuse.

Surely this has unintended side effects on output quality?

> You need context to really understand a book or a work of art. You want to know what kind of environment produced it, what it's talking to.

I agree with this premise - but the arts and humanities are a big part of how we learn these things in the first place!

In other words, you have to start somewhere. Context builds on context.

Oh wow, you might've just explained some symptoms I've run into a few times. Thanks for your comment.

There are definitely different tiers. I've bought simple shelving that began to fall apart within years (Billy maybe?). I have 10 years old bedroom furniture still going strong (Kallax/Malm).

Until now, human knowledge and values have built on prior human knowledge and experience. If AI is able to develop without human influence, I believe its value system will necessarily diverge into something alien.

I have long suspected but not confirmed that /btw uses a lower tier model like Haiku.

Depending on how you're triggering reviews, you may be using a sub-agent?

Recently learned I can just add a question mark to the end of my Kagi search to get an assistant answer. Kagi was already great at surfacing the most relevant pages, but now I often don't even need to click.

It's possible reflected instances are masked too, like GitHub Actions. But I don't know.

Love Incus and I'm using throwaway restricted projects for testing. Highly recommend incus-windows if you need to do any Windows testing. Having agents validate Windows behavior has reduced so much toil for me.

Not cherry-picking, I quoted the entire first paragraph of the section titled "Definition and purpose."

> LLMs will can not and will not ever do these things

Once again, I am not claiming LLMs would replace an OS. This is a non sequitor, and I'm confused why you expect me to defend it.

Once again, I ask: Do you agree that Windows 11 is an OS? Android? UEFI? ChromeOS? At what point do they stop being an OS?

Language is fluid, evolves over time, and means different things to different people. To most people, an "operating system" refers to more than just the kernel. It refers to the entire system stack that defines how they interact with the computer (i.e. hardware and networking), how it manages resources (e.g. CPU and GPU time, memory), how they load software onto it (e.g. packages, APKs, .apps or MCP), and how that software is granted permissions to those resources (compare iOS/macOS/Android permission models to what people might want their LLMs to do), etc.

I expect to see a lot of changes in this area as a result of LLMs becoming more prominent in how people interact with computers. This is what I mean by an "Agent OS" - not an LLM replacing the kernel. That is clearly an absurd premise.

Are we reading the same Wikipedia page?

> An operating system is difficult to define,[7] but has been called "the layer of software that manages a computer's resources for its users and their applications".[8] Operating systems include the software that is always running, called a kernel—but can include other software as well.[7][9] The two other types of programs that can run on a computer are system programs—which are associated with the operating system, but may not be part of the kernel—and applications—all other software.[9]

> You seem to misunderstand how VMs work. They are not OSes running on top of OSes, they are multiple OSes sharing the same hardware resources simultaneously side by side.

This is not strictly true. VirtualBox, VMware Workstation, QEMU run guests on the host. Even KVM operates in tandem with the host kernel. Maybe you're referring to Xen and ESXi VMs?

> Inferring that you think soon LLMs will either not need operating systems, or will become them.

You removed the key point of context:

> I almost do not need a traditional OS anymore. [...] it's the way I access my LLM. For now.

I believe we will move to something that resembles microkernels and/or thin clients. You'll still have something here, but it'll be about as impactful as BIOS is.

> This is the main reason you are getting backlash and being downvoted.

FWIW, I've received a single downvote.

"The definition"? Whose? There are many definitions of "operating system" and I think it may be you who has it wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system#Definition_an...

Having a kernel, drivers, or firmware does not disqualify an operating system focused on LLM-usage from being an "agent operating system."

Do you agree that Android is an OS, or would you say that the OS is Linux and Android is simply a distribution? Is the operating system "Windows 11" or is it Windows NT kernel? Is UEFI an OS? ChromeOS? Language isn't always black-and-white.

You seemed to miss the cloud computing point: are you running one OS, or two? Does one OS running on top of another OS with virtualized hardware count? If yes, then why do you think an agent OS is incompatible with a traditional OS?

> An operating system is not just something that opens apps, it is the thing that lets you type, use a mouse, and see things on a screen. LLMs cannot do any of that, they are an app which runs on an OS.

An OS is all of these things. I never once claimed that an agent operating system would have a kernel which "is" an LLM. This is an absurd interpretation.

They load only when operating on files in that directory. i.e. Lazy loading?

For example, I have one in my schema migrations directory that explains how to write migrations with appropriate concern for forwards- and backwards-compatibility in our deployment model.