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> but it has proved that Russia is weak

does anybody else wonders how this isn't a good old wishful thinking, when with 350+ billions of dollars in foreign aid to Ukraine, all sorts of intelligence and tech help, total and forced mobilization in Ukraine (while only one partial in Russia in 2022), all sanctions on Russia you can think of - even with all of that "weak Russia" after 4+ years of war still controls almost 20% of the Ukraine counting Crimea and it's not really changing?

or maybe there is a difference between "not as strong as was thought" and "weak" after all?

Exactly my thoughts. Advising to download and use JOSM to a novice OSM mapper to make their first edit there (to add a single tag, of all things) instead of iD is nonsense to me, just totally unnecessary overkill. I don’t even understand how article author decided it’s a good idea, to be honest.

About evaluation - you are right, they don’t say they are contributors in their comments explicitly (which they probably should do), but it was quite telling in one case, when a person trash-talked about OM clearly without proof, but then if you go to its profile and visit a personal website from there - turns out that they are a contributor.

I totally expect that’s is also the case with other commenters, but it’s fair to say it’s mostly a guess on my side as for most people you can’t say for sure as they don’t have GitHubs linked to the profile. But I’m 100% sure there are several contributors commenting there, especially taking into account how many CoMaps comments and mentions are there and overall popularity of this app, which is not very big.

I've read both Organic Maps thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48794446 (as it's my favorite map app I use for years around the world, and I'm an active OSM contributor as well) which quickly became overrun with CoMaps followers trash-talking about OM, now this thread appears.

What I find interesting to see, and I think it's not just me who can see this - that basically every mention of CoMaps and why it is good and Organic is bad is it not only seems to be mostly written not by a regular users, but by people who contribute to CoMaps (!) - they all fail to show why exactly anybody should migrate from established app with authors who have years of experience of making Maps.Me and OM - to a basically a no-name (based on downloads) clone who is made by... "community"? We don't even know who that is, original developers and people with experience are not involved.

All the talk is not about functionality of the app or anything which is actually important to users - it's all basically complaints about some kind of _internal drama_, add some misleading stuff about "dying project" or "lost community" from some commenters. So many cries about "ads" which are not actually ads but affiliate links in hotels POI which nobody clicks anyway, it's so mild it's just weird to lament about, at least I as a long time user see no issue at all.

I can advise CoMaps community to focus on developing the app which can actually make real users migrate and use because of functionality, speed or other things that matter, instead of making your community look toxic because of this trash-talk. Show real improvements in comparison with OM - make live maps updates like OSMAnd, make bookmark folders with specific colors tied to it, make app barely eat any battery, make convenient and powerful interface to add data to the map - then people will move. But for now Organic Maps is totally fine and many people like me see no reason to move from it anywhere.

Another nitpick: at least OM is made by people who made MapsMe. CoMaps is not - developed by a community, whatever it means.

> Organic Maps is a for-profit venture that accepts donations. That's sketchy.

I don’t understand why it is “sketchy”. Also do you have any proof on “Kremlin links”?

> OM has lost most of its community a year ago to comaps > rushing to compensate

I understand that you, being a contributor to CoMaps which people can see on your page, want to promote it, but it’s just spreading false info. Just one Russian community of OrganicMaps in Telegram has 4000+ members, CoMaps RU is not even at 200. Global group of OM is at 1650, CoMaps is at 840 of it.

It’s not OM who is compensating all over the place in this thread.

As a active OSM contibutor with 7k+ changesets, Organic is my favorite map app I use for years traveling around the world, also donated to them. Only use GMaps for finding businesses.

Tried CoMaps, saw no reason to migrate to it at all - why migrate to basically no-name app (in terms of popularity) which is developed by who knows who (not even a Maps Me or OM devs) if Organic is totally good, has updates, stable, works well and has no ads? Have no idea what is this ad talk to be honest.

OSMAnd is nice, but too cluttered, OM is much easier to use. Only cool thing is being able to get live updates to a map if you changed something in OSM, but never actually used it for real.

comment doesn't seem very objective, OM receives monthly updates the same way it did for years, also getting new features each time. so define what you mean here by repeating "dying project" two times?

Man this "Russia is running out of XXX" tale is becoming quite old and not being taken seriously nowadays - year by year goes with the same narrative and it's only getting objectively worse for Ukraine...

Why you need to imagine things? deepstate map shows really well which army is "collapsing" now

So.. if I want to help and seed the torrents, do I have to download the whole 80-120 TB for this? can I somehow help when I don't have a space for hundred TB on my machine? went to the website but didn't find a guide or anything else on how to do it

On their website if you click "Get the app" while sitting on Android - you are redirected to AppStore...

nice comment, thanks for the very interesting perspective!

"90% of Meduza's sources' predictions didn't come true". Source: https://www.proekt.media/guide/kremlin-telegram-meduza (it's in Russian, info is at the end of the article).

Well, yes and no, even people who are strongly anti-Russian-regime-oriented told me that they stopped reading Meduza because it's giving info which is extremely one sided and not objective, like it's propaganda but opposite to a Russian-state one

I still remember my Lumia 820 with warm feelings, Windows Phone was such a nice OS...

on the same topic - sometimes it's so frustrating when I put some shop name in Google Maps while I'm in Paris and looking on the map of my neighborhood, for example - and whoosh - it zooms so far out to show all the places which "suit" the search in all the Europe. Why would it do that?

Notion seems to be planning to add some kind of AI-based tool for their app, by the way - https://www.notion.so/product/ai