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I feel that's actually the whole point of the system, to know how humans respond when it's vaguely defined.

Life is in a chatbot now.

Popcorn time.

Why would you code without the help of AI, genuinely asking? You can have quite strict "guardrails" that would maintain code consistency/quality that can be close to guaranteed nowadays.

It's not only about the pace, but also about the quality, most softwares have proven that not getting AI-reviewed is risky in its own, at least in the field of security.

They do, ALL those websites are failing or will fail soon enough (I'd love anyone to prove me wrong by sending me a link of a successful company that use that kind of "design" that isn't in the actual vibe-coding business). It all boils down to the lazyness of the dev not wanting to type "the prompt" that will change that UI permanently, and yes it is a single prompt (cascading into a bunch of loops and typical model-zoo auto-adversarial and whatever, but it IS a single prompt).

Yes, this project will very likely die, because of this alone.

I doubt much people using Google think that their data would just magically disappear the moment they click a button, to the contrary, I believe most qualified users would know that their data is forever stored, maybe "anonymized" sure (but can still be correlated back).

If some users think this, have they question the Why would they do it? Why would Google lose money that way? ToS is irrelevant when it comes to what's running on their own private infra.

You don't think before posting on HN that you should at least re-read what you post? That's a promotional post, at least make it nice and digestible?

Why it's not also available in the web running client-side?

Their take is so dumb, and what about the legal businesses that fund terrorism at scale? Let's ban restaurants?

And no, money from legal incomes is not "more traceable" once it's made into cash and sent away the exact same way as illicit funds. All BS.

Website is dead :/ Why launch like this?

Hmm, honestly I would never believe that deleting a conversation actually delete any real data in the DB, let's be real, those companies thrive thanks to data collect and malicious behavior, top companies already are getting serious fines almost on a weekly/monthly basis by breaking the law and their own ToS, why would that be any different?

I would say chances that our prompts aren't used to train new models is close to none, and if we are talking about Google, I would come from the assumption that absolutely anything I type is sent, permanently.

Some people genuinely think that $B companies just don't even know what transit through their platform? Like they would just build a whole chat interface, invest billions but never be even aware of what people type through it? That sounds genuinely absurd in term of analytics, almost no product is ever designed that way.

It's not "dead", what kind of crappy binary take is this. It absolutely still work to an extent where making an attacker lose time does slow down attacks, thus increasing security.

You can absolutely make an agent lose its mind thus making it spend more tokens, to an extent where it might not be viable, but in all case, slowing down or making something more expensive is a direct way to increase security, so wasting either token or human time both is useful.

SBO+Real security > Security.

Not at all, if you send many crypto transactions to Revolut that is unexplained, I guarantee you that you'll get banned, have you actually tried? It's way stricter than exchanges (which leads to the same thing as you have a physical/virtual card offered by them nowadays).

I don't see what's wrong with accepting BTC, ton of banks do all over the world and it's already available for a decade via exchanges and services, why wouldn't the banks directly offer this service?

Let's not mistake banks for tax authority, that's unrelated. Tax evasion and money laundering are two very different things, the latter almost always imply that taxes WILL BE PAID in the tax residence of the ultimate beneficial owner, just having money on a remote bank is not money laundering, people laundering money wants to buy properties, assets... you can generally only do so if you paid taxes. You can't buy properties easily if you just hide money somewhere.

To the contrary, someone laundering money absolutely does not want to show crypto as the source of funds as this is the most suspicious and might call for any sort of check. Generally speaking, it's easier to launder money without any crypto involved, you can just chain a few companies with nominees in different jurisdictions and just invoice each other and so-on, all done online without having to go anywhere.

To be clear again, people laundering money DO pay taxes, often a lot to appear as genuine as possible.

The ones that are successful at both money laundering AND tax evasion generally use very complex schemes that involve buying second citizenship, setting-up blurry structures... it's not done at a level of wealth that is Revolut compatible :)

Clearly a strange take knowing Revolut is actually particularly strict with random unexplained transactions compared to most online banks.

Revolut is just like any bank? It's normal to want money/assets (if you are wealthy) scattered across multiple jurisdictions. I don't personally know any person that has good wealth without having bank accounts in HK, SG or the likes...

And Revolut itself is particularly strict, receive 5 random unexplained payments and it's almost sure that you'll get banned and you'll receive the very known email stating that you must give them some bank info to forward your money somewhere else.

Many people also care about their privacy, exposing all your wealth, assets and history to a specific government doesn't sound really reasonable to me.

Also, Money laundering is easy to do regardless of the jurisdiction, in the US you can just setup an LLC for a "SaaS", add Stripe, get ton of virtual cards with crypto (no KYC possible), make XXX transactions = "clean money", taxed (aka laundered, legal money), arriving on your bank of choice. I'm pretty sure people that knows how to launder money (even a child could do it) knows how to do it without any sort of offshore bank, I don't really see how Revolut is aggravating this matter.

Thank you, could you make the UI match exactly?

Prompts are handled by the service itself, meaning it's used, absolutely anything passing there is recorded, why wouldn't it, the entire premise of those companies is to train on data which they stole initially.

Are we back to the era where people blindly trust product TOS instead of actual cryptography, have we forgotten already the thousand of fines Google, Microsoft, Apple and practically all top companies got for breaching their own ToS and the law?

Common, on HN at least I would have thought that everyone assume that anything arriving on a server in PLAINTEXT is recorded (thus used later)?

Let's not forget that at any moment, OpenAI/Anthropic/Google... could be providing stronger privacy guarantees by having proper attestation with e2e, they have the budget, solid engineers, why isn't it done? Answer is pretty simple imo.

Just out of curiosity, may I know why you pay API price at work versus using dozens of subscriptions that you APIfy?

It's not way cheaper long-term at all, I mean unless you really watch/listen to a tiny amount of content, you can rip the same way with Netflix, Hulu and so-on as well so I don't see how that makes it more durable?

What you are doing is practically the same equivalent as downloading torrents, how do you have "more guarantees" than just downloading?

PS: I'm saying this because what you are doing is already illegal so there is virtually no difference.

Reddit captures everything you are doing including your whole hardware and attempt to fingerprint you hard, so yes, keystrokes are included.

I would never trust a webpage to not send out all possible information, why wouldn't they do it?

Excellent branding, this will likely work (to an extent).

It's insane, but it's not like it's not known, personally, each time we have a party at home with friends, we always unplug the TV for this reason, it's out of doubt but it's normal to doubt as it's proprietary and has a microphone, so it's a bit obvious that it might be recording and processing data somewhere. The same as I would never trust an average phone around if I'm having a private conversation.

Blackbox+Mic = Not private.

To consider something secure software wise, it involves so many layers, and almost none of those are present with a Smart TV, so it IS considered insecure by anyone having privacy standards.

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I feel author might not realize how much this will lead to its death and probably also current visitors that sees this (in its current state - aka design seen 1M times with virtually zero work on branding done) might never return.

You can also just rent a VPS anonymously and setup an exit node there, which plenty do, you don't need an LLC or any sort of legal entity, you don't need to KYC and you can use XMR (multi-coin swap if paranoid).

Just curious, chaos and morality aside, the company finances are doing better or worse?