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But how many customers are signed into multiple apps? I don't think very many. And even if competition forces prices to go incredibly low, only the biggest players will survive. Uber's scale will allow it to weather low prices, especially since they just rake in transactional fees without requiring significant investment.

It's a localized network effect only if they are isolated to local areas. However, most people in the U.S. (especially outside of SF) only have Uber, so the network effect grows stronger as consumers only need one app regardless of the city they are in.

I'm not sure I understand your yellow cab comparison. With Uber, no one needs an understanding of the local markets (aside from the laws, which can be done at the corporate level). Uber just shows local drivers how to make money, and they take a cut because they have a strong technology, brand, and user base.

As far as international expansion, I agree it would be much tougher. But even if they aren't successful outside of the U.S. (which I still think they will be), they will cash in billions.

Well, I think you don't understand what a network effect is. From Wikipedia, "A network effect is the effect that one user of a good or service has on the value of that product to other people."

It's as simple as this: the more users Uber has, the more drivers it will have. The more drivers Uber has, the better the service and the lower the prices. Therefore, a greater number of users leads to greater value of the product (service) to other people.

"You are talking about a quality effect from the assumption that more assets will lead to a lock in effect but it's hopeful at best." I think you're totally missing here. Why is everyone talking about Uber and not Lyft or some other company? Why would anyone switch from Uber to another app if he/she is happy with Uber? Why don't you or anyone else write an app and go create a network of drivers? Because no one will switch, that's why. And that's the effect of the network.

Facebook didn't have any more assets than Google+, except for the users. How is this any different from the "quality effect" you are talking about?

Although you may be technically correct, it doesn't change the argument. Their contract terms still force them to try to extract every penny out of customers to maintain profitability.

Airlines get squeezed by airports and manufacturers (Boeing, Airbus, etc). Uber doesn't get squeezed by anything. They don't have the same risk to oil prices, and they certainly don't have to worry about covering MASSIVE fixed costs like airlines. Uber simply gets a cut of every transaction, and those transactions will continue to flow. They don't have to schedule anything with anyone (100% on demand), they aren't subject to airport fees, they don't have to worry about $billions of planes, and they don't even provide the service (the driver does - he is the one operating the vehicle and arranging the pickups/dropoffs).

Uber's software does all of this already. They just need to maintain a certain level of marketing and overhead to support the whole shebang, while collecting boatloads of cash.

The network effect is the barrier to entry. It's a huge barrier to entry. There wasn't a barrier to entry a few years ago, but now there is a huge one. There won't be more than a few of these companies in the future; it's just not worth it for customers to have 5+ apps - 2 or 3 will do just fine (at the most). I only have the Uber app, like most people, and I don't have a reason to download another until Uber disappoints me. However, more users lead to more drivers, which minimizes the chance Uber disappoints me.

Logistics companies are an ok comparison, but not really. A higher number of people that use a certain logistics company doesn't necessarily translate to better service. FedEx/UPS would be a better comparison (more people utilizing their capacity will reduce shipping rates and increase service levels, i.e. delivery times), but they own inventory, so it's not a perfect comparison.

There's as much difference between Uber and the airline industry as there is in a $10 ride home versus a $250+/person flight.

Uber doesn't own any cars. How would better service and lower prices be bad for Uber? It wouldn't. The more activity they generate, the better off they are. They simply get a cut off everything. It would be wiser to compare to VISA/MasterCard. Those are software companies with huge network effects similar to Uber. Could anyone just go out and create their own payment network? Sure. Are prices per transaction competitive? Sure. Do VISA and MasterCard make a TON of money? Absolutely. And in this case (the more accurate comparison), the first guys to do it are still the main players, and they haven't needed to truly innovate in decades.

I think a lot of people tend to forget that these valuations aren't just some people out there being euphoric about the future. These valuations come from experienced investors, using real money, making thoroughly calculated guesses.

Ah, right. Thanks

But it is a network effect. The more people that use the service, the better that service will be. If only a few people used Uber, there would only be a few drivers. This would lead to high prices and poor service levels. The more people that use Uber, the more drivers there are, and the lower the price and better the service. That leads to consolidation to those services with a high number of users, and those services will be the only ones that survive, hence the network effect.

More users (i.e., your friends) drive higher service levels (more Uber drivers and quicker service times, which spirals). There is no "forcing," just as no one "forces" you to have a Facebook account.

If you want bad service (long wait times, high prices) then your argument makes sense. However, the more people that use Uber will lead to better service levels and lower prices. Drivers benefit by minimizing wait times and being able to depend on the money.

And if you went to London, you get the convenience of not having to download a local app. You simply use Uber (what you're used to, what you depend on, what you trust), and you have one less thing to worry about in your travels.

"The attorney, as an outsider to the corporation, owes no fiduciary duty to the corporation’s shareholders so the classical theory would not apply. Under the misappropriation theory, the trade is unlawful because the attorney violated a duty to the client by using the client’s confidential information for the attorney’s own benefit."

The client is the corporation's shareholders, as management simply acts as an agent for those shareholders.

The rebuttal: http://abovethecrowd.com/2014/07/11/how-to-miss-by-a-mile-an...

Groupon doesn't have a network effect. Uber has a VERY strong network effect. In fact, it has the type of network effect that can keep its advantage over competitors (see Facebook versus Google+).

Uber's revenue will continue to skyrocket. They are not "scaled out," and as revenue exceeds well-beyond $1B and they no longer have solid investment opportunities for growth, their expenses will get in line.

"In one 25-day span this year, Joyce flew round trip to London 16 times, flights that would retail for more than $125,000. He didn't pay a dime."

How is that even possible? Did he never actually leave the airport?

Perhaps

You get $10k more for living in SF over Nashville. Seriously, $10k? SF has to be somewhere around 50% more expensive than Nashville.

Interesting hypothesis

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-08/what-first-world-cy...

China's market has been crashing for a few days now. How does a cyber attack on the NYSE help China? All trades will go through just fine on NASDAQ and BATS.

You worked at GS but call it Goldman's?

Spot on. Thanks

You need to compare "quite affordable" with the $200 price of a smart phone. Because $200 seems "quite affordable" for a smart phone that can do pretty much anything and everything. And I never suggested not having a cell phone.

Then they probably don't have enough money for a subscription service, and if they do, they're better off with a non-smart (dumb?) phone.

I like your first analogy. Your second analogy, on the other and, seems to me to justify the action. I think Macy's would thank you rather than call the police, but that's just my opinion.

There are a lot of one-time expenses involved with going public, so you'd have to strip those out of any extrapolation. But I'm not going anywhere near TWTR.

I bought my house after seeing it on Zillow. It never showed up on the Keller Williams site my agent set up for me, and he never knew about the place until we asked about it. It was my first home purchase, so he was very helpful throughout the process. I probably won't use an agent the next time I buy, and I definitely won't be using an agent when I sell.

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It probably doesn't factor in currency conversion (i.e., it's likely based on how many USD are spent and ignores the fact that you're making EUR in Alicante).

Just a thought at least.

In gambling, bookmakers = the market. Just like a lot of demand (unbalanced amount of money) buying up a stock pushes up the price, the same will cause bookmakers to adjust their lines.

I've been waiting years for something like this. In the meantime, does anyone have any suggestions of third-party desktop applications that sync with gmail?

North Metro Atlanta. I think people there tend to prefer country clubs over neighborhood pools/tennis courts, but I'm really just guessing since North isn't that specific.