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For me, Wix was never truly an OSS project (sure, technically/formally, it is). It's for me just an MS developer workplace in disguise. As MS, it looks nicer and you don't have to support so much.

I was wrong and Rob was indeed not an MS employee??

I can remember I was at a birthday party and the entire topic of the f*cking evening was when it will be online again. With everybody checking every 23 seconds.

I left that 'party' quite early.

I feel you!!! It's soo tiring...

No real problem. By the same amount, young people are smarter and more competent, in particular regarding tech topics.

At least that's the dominant narrative since a decade. And I'm sure it's actually true, and least when the question is about knowing all youtokgram memes of the day.

> I think projects could improve by moving more of their regular workflow to invite-only mediums-- private repositories, issue trackers, etc. If someone wants to complain about your project then they can do it on their own forum, they don't get to use the projects tools as a platform to crap on the project and deprive the contributors of their freedom to ignore the noise.

Yessss!!! Or, in other words: Stop to make everything social media, stop making 'like' buttons your god, and get real again.

That would be sooooo helpful. For many parts of life.

You won't loose so much imho. It's a lot overhyped. Sure you lose all the people who are basically there for the social media factor. Well... I see no problem with that. Their perceived worth is much much higher than their real one. Social media is all about a big show. Not about actually delivering actual value.

Btw, in some regards, the private mailing list is a lot more 'open' than proprietary cloud services instead (i.e. discord).

... or you just finally realize that interaction beyond your own bubble is more complicated, harder, and more tiring, but not toxic. People are very very sensitive plants nowadays. It doesn't help. Don't try to hide people even more from reality. You did that for long enough, obviously. Don't make them even more stupid by declaring everything as toxic harassment which challenges their simple, tiktok-driven minds. We already have enough of those zombies around, who in a few decades are planned to acquire my pension.

The best idea imho is the assumption that people have some intelligence. I know, it's an utopia. But, well... Give them a way to block users. Help law enforcement when something actually criminal happens. For the rest, just let it happen, and let the people deal with it. As in real life. There is no other chance. Making the masses even more stupid than they are today (by hiding reality from them) is not the way to go. It never was. Let people interact with each other on their own. There cannot be a higher instance which 'manages' that in some way. Censorship isn't better when you call it 'moderation'. And don't declare everything as a harassment or worse. It's just a facet of communication to also communicate unfortunate things. People are veeeery sensitive plants since some time.

And again, for actual crime, it's not the forum moderators at all who should lead some actions. That would really be problematic.

Yes, it _can_. Sure.

You rlly think the vogons have made prank pizza orders, swatted him, or anything like that?

C'mon, get real. Here is a new comment that you can downvote just because you hate the statement. He didn't get as much appreciation and accolade on social media as he wanted. That's basically it. Without knowing any details about the case. I know humans, and the story is obvious. ;)

... maybe that's what they meant with 'clout-chaser'?

At least they are something that actually exists on their own, and not just a Microsoft cloud entity.

I've seen rough people everywhere on the internet, but that's at least very delighting.

It's an intentionally edgy statement, got it...

The major problem: With any idea around decreasing all that social media circus, and coming back to the actual things a bit more, you lose entire generations of human beings nowadays whose only reason to exist, whose only driver, whose only source of energy, is their smartphone with the right social media silo apps installed.

It's at least a decade too late to stop that apocalypse. It will not get better before a big boom suddenly forces them from outside. Our societies are obviously not strong and not resilient enough for more than a few decades of existance before it makes boom.

Also good to consider for that tradeoff: Those people are completely fine to ignore you without some Zuck accounts.

Bring that together with your idea about friendship before you run behind them.

Maybe it's fine for you. Maybe your conclusion is that it's not worth the thing.

It's not a new topic. For me, iit was around 15 years ago. I never had FB or WA. Not even for a day. And that brought a lot of friendships to an end. Most of my friendships in fact. And that was sad!! But well, no other way would even be an option, admittedly! It's sad, but it was the best I could do.

I had a dream recently, where Elon Musk said the following:

I'm not actually the bad guy you think I am. It was basically all a show. You had suuuuuuch a hard and looong time understanding the danger of all these corporate social media silos. Where we control what opinions are visible and what not so much. Social media (in that particular fashion) was always a trap, a problem to definitely avoid, since day 1, but it was sooooooo teeeeerribly hard to make you understand.

So I though, well, if you are all too stupid to understand it, I will make a veeeeeery bizarre and freaky show for you that you will never forget. It will be so unreal, even you all will actually _get_ it now!!! Because it's such an important lessons for the upcoming future...

It reminds me of sooo many things. Maybe it's part of a kitchen tool. Or gardening, a weapon, you name it. But by no means it looks like a dick. :-/

None of these points seem to be relevant when it comes to the question about ASCII art as text in html vs image. Most of them feel to be no actual problems at all, but only someone vaguely mentioned some keywords in order to 'find' problems?

Can you tell about some?

But he explicitly mentions books. That contrast makes it interesting. I assume that he is explicitly fine with text content.

And then he does not mention the web in general (or even Reddit - it wouldn't be worth more than an eyeroll to me), but YouTube.

On the one hand, yeah, well, the web was probably in a better shape in the past. (And YT even is a major aspect of that, imho, but anyways...) On the other hand, you really must be a die hard YT fanatic to only mention that single website (which by the way is mostly video clips, and has all the issues of the entire web), instead of just the web.

It's really well outside of the sphere of my imagination. The root cause of my reply wasn't even disagreement at first, but surprise and confusion.

Yeah, well, I never said that there aren't any experts in any topic who at some point decided to publish something there. The fact that entire generations of human beings basically look there and at TikTok and Instagram for any topic, probably also helps with this decision. It's still wildly bizarre to me anyways when people don't mention the web in general in such a context, but one particular commercial website, which is a lot about video based attention economy (and rather classic economy via so-called influencers). Nothing of that sounds ideal to me when it comes to learning about actually useful topics from actual experts. Not even the media type. It's hard for them to hyperlink between content, it's hard for me to search, to skip stuff, reread a passage or two, choose my own speed for each section, etc, etc. Sure, you can find it somewhere there. In the same spirit, McD is a salad bar, though... ;)

> And this is 100% Googles fault for the algorithms they created that force these behaviors on anyone that wants to use their platform and have visibility.

Wrong assumptions. It's not their fault, and a lot of it is probably by intent. It's just that they and you are not in the same boat. You are the product at big tech sites. It's 100% (impersonally) your fault to be sooo resistant understanding that. ;)

When I'm looking for actual experts, the first thing that comes to my mind is definitely YouTube!!

And least when it's about YouTube specific topics, like where the like button and the subscribe button is.

They will tell me. Every. Single. F*cking. 5. Minute. Clip. Again. And. Again.

Not soooo much for anything actually important or interesting, though.... ;)

PS: Also which of the always same ~5 shady companies their sponsor is, of course.

The world was such a boring and dark place before everybody was constantly swiping on his smartphone in any situation, and before everysaid said basically got piped through a bigtech data center, where their algorithms control its way.

Now we finally have a tool where all of you can prove every day how strong/smart/funny/foo you are (not actually). How was life even possible without?

So, don't be so pessimistic. ;)

Okay, for that particular purpose, I can well imagine that you are actually right. I usually don't even try that, and when I do, it's exactly as you say.

Okay, you can use GMail and Youtube with other frontends. Doesn't change much, though. If you are just using cloud services, you are better off staying at whatever OS you use.

> These people will get burned

They decided this way. I can remember when the Facebook plague began. There was no real need to start living _inside_ Facebook, but most people did. They want their stuff back now? That's ridiculous. 15 years of social media didn't make them smarter in any ways. They want to get deeper and deeper, and I'm not going to stop them.

I'd say "-site:reddit.com" helps a lot. And also "-site:youtube.com" and some others :)

Admittedly, I usually do the exclusion in my brain and not actually via the search query.

I don't know where the hype comes from, which says that reddit posts are particularly smart and useful. Maybe just from their own marketing, which is repeated over and over in social media by these 'smart' guys?! It's completely not reflected by my practical experiences at all.

When I accidentally end on a reddit thread and read some posts, I'm always like "Well, and that's it? What a waste of time..."

That wouldn't be wise. Everyone who does everything in the cloud (a.k.a. other people's computers), like Ms 365, Teams, Youtube, Tiktok, Instagram, Google Mail, Google Maps, Google Spreadsheets, WhatsApp, etc, ... should think twice. There is no gain for them. It's all outside of their control anyways. They gave away their sovereignty to the point the OS does not matter at all. They should stay where they are and not burn their (and others') time with learning a new OS. Linux doesn't need those people, and those people don't need Linux. Make more Insta Reels instead. Everyone is happier then.

There are good arguments for both sides, and there is no contradiction. Why shouldn't they both be good tools, depending on the specific case?

I do print debugging most of the times, together with reasoning and some understanding what the code does (!), and I'm usually successful and quick enough with it.

The point here is: today's Internet, with all the social media stuff, is an attention economy. And also some software developers try to get their piece of the cake with extreme statements. They then exaggerate and maximally praise or demonize something because it generates better numbers on Twitter. It'd as simple as that. You shouldn't take everything too seriously. It's people crying for more attention.

My feeling nowadays (i.e. since around a decade maybe) is that there is a lot of technical complexity going on which should imho be either an internal part of the browser itself, or should not be used that widely.

It's probably all good for something... But I would love to just make my web app out of what the browser itself can do, without a tech stack as high as a skyscraper for me to handle.

I know, this way the ecosystem can develop more rapidly (compared to waiting for improvements in the official web standards), and it's also fun to play with toys, and everyone can raise his/her value by learning more and more of these tools.

On the other hand, the web was imho in a better shape before all that began. From user perspective and from developer perspective.

I could be wrong... I'm not primarily a web developer at all...

Why does it include TS? I would never have called it a 'web technology'. A lot of people use it in their tech stack, but fortunately, the browser does not even understand it, right?

C'mon don't tell me that this would finally be too bizarre?!

No, it was always this way.

That's a lot of trust for a project that is proud for having it tested with one browser, and wants to hear from you on Facebook or Discord. My trust in such a project would be quite minimal.

One of the most disappointing aspects of the Linux ecosystem is the 'community'. The self-proclaimed experts in forums who try to help people. I'm using Linux only since >20 years. I usually don't need them. And I learned soon to not involve them. Whenever I did, it was a pure waste of time.