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Probably yes. Depending on your requirements (e.g. if cloud, spying, etc is all fine), it can indeed make sense. Windows has its strengths.

But what I suspect: A much bigger cohort is people saying "I'm not forced, I just explicitly prefer it" although this is actually a lie. Some of them are aware of that, some not. Being forced to sth is not great. Not everyone is honest (or even aware) enough to admit it.

You tried (and failed) to install Arch many many times, based on YT, and you have not even considered that there might be some kinds of helpful resources directly from Arch outside of YT.

Sorry to say that, and even more sorry that you'll probably not even understand what I mean, but this actually doesn't need any further comments.

Yes, another thing that often happens in those discussions: Someone cites Socrates with very similar complaints. To me this is not a contradiction. E.g. maybe the Socrates era has seen it going downhill as we do today, and between there were times with upward movement (maybe forced by some bigger event or development - things are complex). I don't know.

What I know is, when I talk to e.g. colleagues, the younger there are, the more they feel like materialized YT clips. And that's not a good thing. Of course I try to compensate for their younger age when I do the comparison. And of course I could be wrong, e.g. biased in some way. But I would sat that I really try to be fair, and I must be veeeery off if you say there are no such issues.

I'm not clever, no. A few of my friends are, but I never was. I would call myself a skilled software developer, yes. And other, more skilled ones, would maybe disagree. :) But all that says nothing about real life cleverness.

I can clearly see that there are unfortunate patterns, even back then when I was young, and it just got worse and worse. Which is no surprise imho. Of course it propagates. If the parents are already 'social media' addicts, and their friends, and the teachers as well, what shall happen with their children. The issues just 'normalize' - that's what we see, but it doesn't _solve_ them.

The thing is, our societies love to chatter about all kinds of issues and troubles, as long as they are somewhere else or at least the bad guys are far enough away. Something not binding. But as soon as an inconvenient discussion about themselves start, about what they do wrong and what issues we get by them, it turns into silence. So we also do not discuss much about more and more incompetent social media addicts. Since the majority is addicted, and the ground for public discussions is social media only nowadays, who should even start this discussion - and where...

Very often when I discuss it, someone argues along the lines of "yes, it looks different, and maybe even weird at first glance, but everything is indeed fine, and look how access to all that content even makes them more competent than older generations in many ways".

And I'm always asking myself what is wrong with me that all that completely does not reflect my practical experiences at all.

We are probably more or less the same age. And yes, they said it about us as well. And they were right. It's a slow downward trend. And it's still continuing. Do you also see these young mothers on the streets which would just ram you with their baby buggy, because they are deeeeply involved into some toktok swiping ceremony? Addicts. What do we expect from that?

> But when the written material was good enough, they used it.

To some extent, yes, as we all do, they will try to make a good show for you when they feel that there is an audience for that show and it might somehow pay off.

Reading and actually understanding non-trivial text is hard if you are part of a generation that was never challenged to actually learn it. For those people, YouTube (and a few similar shops) are the default way to consume any content. That's what they do all the time. Sure, they somehow know those legacy emojis that you call the latin alphabet. It will just not lead to a deep understanding of text.

Another aspect is probably that watching YT clips always has a feeling of being part of something. Some movement, some bubble, some society, whatever. They don't install Arch bcs they want to learn sth, or make some use of the OS. They do it _because_ they found it on YT and they want to be part of it. Maybe they even write comments or make a 'reaction' video. Today it's Arch, tomorrow it's a special pizza recipe from that other guy on Insta. It doesn't really matter.

Bitten by MS Outlook... ^^

Cooool! Thx! I recently searched precisely for that, but was unable to find anything.

At first glance, the Redmond philosophy looks better to me here. I know that they made a lot of marketing around it (files vs APIs). And parts of that is just marketing bs, but there is some truth imho. What is all the string overhead really for? Isn't the client side equally tedious? You write e.g. weird shell scripts that sed/awk/grep some files from procfs or sysfs, spend a lot of time into string parsing, and then there are also corner cases where it fails (sometimes it's enough to have a space in some file names). What do I actually get back from all that complexity? There is probably something; I just haven't recognized it so far.

I'm asking that as a Linux-only-since-two-decades user btw.

PS: Yes, I know, if it would be a web api, I'd need to do play the same games with strings there.

But there it's at least obvious why it is needed (and it would also be less tedious in a modern scripting language, compared to dealing with string in raw C).

Again, I'm not really complaining. I'm just wondering whether one would still solve it in the same today in a brand new OS.

I just read the first few lines so far. They play around a lot with strings, compared to the fact that it's not about word processing but power management.

I'm not a developer on this system level of things. When you usually try to write 'nice' code, you are somewhat surprised about concerns like "convert the last space to a newline" there.

Yes, I know, everything is a file, and this is just the other side of this odd ancient paradigm.

To me it looks tedious. But, well, could be that this is just for me, because I'm not used to it. Maybe it's not a problem at all once you are deeper inside it.

But even from a logical perspective, it is funny: There is a file that contains all available sleep modes. Once you write a particular one into the same file (let's say you open it in a text editor and remove all states but one and then save), the system goes into that sleep mode.

Yes, I know, operating systems are different from a tiny web service in Python (and even there you start tricking around with weird http concepts instead)... It was just an observation.

Not everybody will like it (and nobody needs to use it), but: systemd timers do very similar things, are well integrated into the systemd ecosystem, have a nice syntax, allow all nice systemd features, and are quite nice imho.

The 'cloud' always was - at its core - a mechanism to take your sovereignty away. Like the social media or IM walled gardens that you like. And like a lot of things that came up in the last ~15 years. Subscription models as well...

All that will not fail, because there are strong forces that explicitly want this to happen.

But it's always nice to hear that there are at least problems...

I'm always surprised why I constantly see messages downvoted (not only here), just because they feel unconvenient for the bubble?!

Imho you should all stop that. It's too simple. It doesn't really increase credibility.

Why not start dealing with actual discussions there, and maybe have a little less "everything was already said; just not yet by everyone" discussions in other places?!

I'm still dreaming about days when I can just write my website against the standarda and test it with my browser and then be happy if it works, because it will of course work in all other browsers too.

And now there is a tool where you can manually check how a ton of proprietary chat tools render some previews for your page.

And everyone gets mad as if that's the greatest thing since paper was invented.

Not in a forum of funny media guys, but at HN.

Interesting times...

Same here. It's not that I wouldn't have the time. It's about principles. Some exceptions aside, text is just the better medium for actual content (not so much for the big show, though). Put some images or clips into the text if it makes sense, but don't make everything a video.

I'm sure a lot of people here cannot even imagine how we can continue living without having seen that clip. And 10000s of other ones - the barrier for superlatives is quite low nowadays. Also, there are entire generations of people out there today whose default way to retrieve content is by some video clips. Their perspective is different, because texts are hard for them. Sure they can somehow read, but many of them never learned well to actually understand text. That's the point.

I can imagine that there maybe indeed is some value in the clip. But I'm also very sure that it's quite okay to skip that video; and all the other ones. Things will be fine for us. Still. ;)

If it's just about keeping a link to a handful of content creators, and you aren't a multiple-hours-per-day yt addict, there is already a nice solution for that, which universally works for all web resources and is well supported by all browsers under the sun.

I'm sure thay's not ideal (e.g. not for Google trying to understand you better) for the addicts, but for the other ones, this can be the perfect solution.

> A more likely future is less video

You mean I could get a f...ing text again about things, which I could just read at my own speed, skip back and forth by just moving my eyes, use the search function, skip pieces of it, etc etc, in just two minutes instead of ten minutes watching a video clip for the most trivial statements?

What a baaad world that would be...

Exactly that. But surprisingly, although I'd consider it as a trivial insight, we're living in a world that just doesn't want to understand that.

And while YT is a lot about casual nonsense, there are other big tech walled gardens, where content fights against some corporate-controlled algorithms, but the content is our entire public discourse nowadays. :( And people still do not want to understand what a terribly bad idea that is...

Yes, it has nothing to do with privacy. The opposite is maybe true in that case (i.e. google can probably see my usage of sponsorblock in the access logs, which makes it simpler for them to identify me).

But I do use it. I don't watch video clips very often. When I did, most of the times it was disappointing waste of time. Conference talks are the most obvious exception that come to my mind, and they don't interrupt their talk with sponsor ads.

Once something is in YT (or any other big tech silo), I'm completely outside of charity or goodwill mode. It's basically like sth broadcasted by a random tv station for me. I maybe consume it, but I'll not start thinking how I can support them. The 'free web' that I'd explicitly try to support does not happen in big tech's walled gardens.

Btw: Are there any 'good' sponsors in YT? I suspect, a company that sponsors YT channels is by definition suspect. Just because the target audience doesn't really ask for more. They spend hours each day in a loop of mostly pointless 'subscribe, like me, follow me, comment below, $SPONSOR, ...' and always the big show without any actual substance in the end.

Sure, there are always a handful of exceptions...

Not only slower, right? I mean, for UIs, there is the same race to the bottom going on as in other parts of the industry.

It needs to be a big show, and everybody must be able to directly understand it without any learning curve or even rtfm.

Everything else (ergonomics, features, ...) are too often secondary values.

I wouldn't say that UIs were great in the 90s. They weren't. It was also harder to implement them. The programming languages were more tedious, low-level, etc.

But as so often, it's disappointing what we do with our additional power today. Snappiness wouldn't even be my first concern, though.

I cannot remember a moment when Konqueror felt good enough for me as a daily driver, but it was impressive anyways.

From a community perspective, it would have been a great thing to push it forward further, spend resources on it, and have at least one web browser that isn't somewhat wicked.

Admittedly, back then, we all hoped that Firefox would be that 'friendly' browser, and it probably truly was at that time.

Time has changed. Now I'm forced to like a browser that is always just slightly less evil than a one that would even IE look friendly. And with every version we are now waiting when they also will drop the manifest v2 support for dubious reasons. And even if that will never happen, they will continue to find other ways to disappoint me.

Yes, khtml was at least a nice time to remember. :)

PS: My personal feeling is that "impressive but not good enough as a daily driver" was and is true for some more KDE apps. This is why I use Plasma Desktop, but barely any more of their apps than Dolphin and maybe kate to some degree. I know all you're going to say now about free software and how it works and so on, and you're right, but technically, it would be sooo much better if just half of the email client projects (or office suites, IDEs, photo editing, ...; you name it) would exist, but with more developer powers behind it. But I'm digressing......

Maybe it always was. But smartphones and social media definitely pushed it a lot.

You can even see it here, whenever people get downvoted just for posting something that is too uncomfortable (e.g. bcs it's criticism that touches their own lifestyle, ...).

There are ripple effects everywhere. Nowadays it's like yoi said: People are often explicitly proud to be stupid.

I wanted to learn some details about that story (I heard about it back then, but never digged deeper).

Your link seems to lead to some kind of shady video clip portal.

Was that intended? If so, is there a textual version as well? Video clips seem to be a poor medium for most kind of actual information transfer.

"You will need an active AWS account with SES enabled to self-host it."

That's an interesting way to see the world...

Nooo, thx........

Their business is completely independent from a funny guy who writes some iPhone app. They haven't lost anything in that story. If they need a new iPhone app, I'm sure they will find developers for that.

> Btw, he had a contract.

Then fine, go to the court with it, end of story.

I'd say, given the numbers it doesn't make sense for Yelp to bother. Just stop it and send the kids an email.

Yes, that's why they haven't. ;)

Well, don't read the comment that you reply on. ;)

The only interesting part of the story is to what extent others actually learn sth from it (that lesson should be trivial, but nowadays it obviously is all but common sense). And I guess: Not very much. They will 'give a fuck' here how bad the world and all is, and then continue in their naive way tomorrow.