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peveechi··on GNOME 3.16 on OpenBSD [video]
(Sorry for the long delay; new accounts are somewhat throttled.)

The article you link to doesn't support your claims. It explicitly states that Gnome 3.14 (which, btw, is only one revision ago, since Gnome uses the old Linux kernel version scheme) would still support ConsoleKit (i.e. a non-systemd codepath). In fact, Gnome 3.16 still supports ConsoleKit, at least in gdm (see the configure-option here [1]). Can you point out commits where non-systemd support was removed in Gnome 3.14?

And what exactly do you mean by "redirected the systemd calls"? Gnome calls certain methods on certain D-Bus objects; if there is a process on OpenBSD that receives these method calls and acts appropriately, why not call that implementing that particular interface?

I don't want to diminish the amount of work that went into this port. I find it really great that someone is doing all that work. But I don't think that the picture you paint of this is entirely accurate. You assume that the OpenBSD-guys hate systemd. That might be the case (it probably is for a lot of them), but I don't think that this has anything to do with this video. If the video e.g. had shown that they removed any reference to systemd whatsoever from the Gnome code and inserted some sneering comments, I might agree with your conclusion. But it simply shows that they succeded in porting Gnome 3.16 to OpenBSD.

How would this video have had to look, to persuade you of the opposite (i.e. that there were OpenBSD developers that love systemd)?

1. https://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/tree/configure.ac?id=3.16.0...

peveechi··on GNOME 3.16 on OpenBSD [video]
This video is a sign that either the OpenBSD/Gnome-porters are sucessfully maintaining the old non-systemd codepaths (as e.g. this https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2015-Janu... message from the guy who made the video indicates), or that they have implemented enough of the systemd-interfaces to get Gnome running.

What exactly do you mean by "reimplement it in OpenBSD" and what would be the difference to the current approach you call "shims"?

peveechi··on GNOME 3.16 on OpenBSD [video]
One of your premises seems to be equal to your conclusion. So I still don't see, how this video has anything to do with it.
peveechi··on GNOME 3.16 on OpenBSD [video]
I was about to ask you to walk us through the thought process that lead you from this video to that strange conclusion. But after reading your last few comments, this seems quite pointless.
peveechi··on GNOME 3.16 on OpenBSD [video]
That sounds a bit misleading. I remember running Gnome 3.2/3.4 in 2012, while still using SysV init. I'm not sure whether logind or ConsoleKit was used, but the init system (what most people associate with the name "systemd") was definitely not the one from systemd.