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Why was it killed? That sounds very interesting.

Does anybody have a link to it? I can't find it on the blog.

In my state the pension plan is pretty mediocre, it does not make up for the low pay.

it's very dependent on state and most states are underpaid even including getting summers off. The benefits aren't very good in my state and we're one of the better paying states in the region.

There are some huge outliers like California but most states teachers are just treading water. I know this in my state because I was trying to get accredited earlier this year.

Teachers in my state are lucky to crack $75,000 salary after 10 years. Yes, they are underpaid.

You guys are way too critical and about the wrong things. "Waste of tokens"? Perhaps the author know of the tradeoffs and just wanted to build something.

How you went from seeing somebody's post to deciding they don't care is a pretty big jump, one that isn't warranted. This kind of post seems like the old but now more elaborated form of hating on something that you don't even know what it is.

It just isn't fair to the work that has been put in.

I think this is just gatekeeping. If you are involved in the creative process - additive or subtractive, you are an artist.

It allows them to take on tasks they could not before.

For example, creating a game where before you'd have to pay for assets or creating a movie to where you'd have to pay for a lot of various things. I gave an example earlier where I've watched vids people generated based on existing fiction. These are artists (you're still framing the shot, selecting dialogue, etc), and they could not have done this before; it would have been too expensive.

Some artists get cut out of the loop but it allows small teams to do what was impossible. Is this not valid?

This is what I mean, people don't feel the same way. I find the lyrics creative enough, the style hits, that's all I'm looking for. I don't find most music on the market that interesting, anyway. I found people making music about UFOs and disclosure of all things, there isn't exactly a huge market for that. It's allowing people to express things in music they previously weren't.

This is the kind of stuff which will just cause people to be contrarian and like it because we're told it's something to be embarrassed over. People put human-created content on way too high of a pedestal.

I find it interesting that we have tools which can take a general concept and sound and create hours and hours of content out of that and I don't consider it any different than remixing human stuff, it is still human at its core.

Honestly, for the people who hate this stuff, the best thing you can do is not to mock people in this way because I promise you, that's how you get contrarians. Do you know how rude it is to be told that what you like is legitimately embarrassing? What caused you to say that to another human being? Come on!

You're replacing some artist and empowering others. If a single creative can gen a 3 hour movie (we'll pretend it is high-quality), then they can do things which were previously impossible. Was it not marketed as a tool which enabled people to do more?

I'm a fan of generated music and have run across some generated vids I like. I've seen some really creative stuff which took existing fiction and generated vid content around that. Previously, that content simply would not have been created because it would have been way too expensive. I know I'm not the only one out there who enjoys it at times.

There is undoubtedly some performative element, how big that is who knows?

I really doubt it. I think more and more people will get used to it and accept it. It's not going anywhere. The best artists and creators will figure out how to use tech which empowers them and then what will the rest of the artists and creatives do? Refuse to engage with modernity? I doubt it.

It only takes a single project to show it works to get other people jumping on board. Some amount of gamers are pretty vocal about it (though I'm sure it's being used in most studios these days in some fashion). If a company creates a game which embraces the "slop" and has great assets on a fun game are people going to avoid it? If that works out, will companies following them avoid it? That's just not how people work.

Yeah, when you are pulling out terms of the very online like "meat proxies", you're not exactly in a place to judge the rest of society, you're in a bubble.

I don't know if it is the minority but I think sanity is the group of people not taking a "side" and just realizing this new tech is what it is and it's going to and has had both major advantages and disadvantages. Blog posts like the above are a dime a dozen along with their opposite and thy only read like people caught up in bubbles.

Defamation? The author's responses and complete lack of honesty certainly made it look like a scam.

The author listed feature after feature that were unfulfilled. Scam is being fairly kind to the project, I thought the guy was the worst kind of liar. You can check out any of the earlier threads on HN to find out for yourself.

It isn't that it was early, it's that it advertised itself to be what it was not. You defending it isn't doing anybody any favors as this is all public record and you're just standing up for a dev that doesn't deserve it

It comes across as spiteful, I don't think it is at all obvious and it isn't obvious to the store owner either.

We just disagree, and that's why this is the wrong approach to enacting whatever kind of change they wanted.

They can do that but it would be a huge overreach. I guess you have strong feelings about it, but plenty of us don't want it banned.

That's not what the "threat" said. It said that they would give them a list of people, it isn't obvious that hiring some random would have made them happy. It's not even obvious whether this wasn't just a convenient way to make some money for a friend.

It seems like a ban would both be overreaching and won't happen. If your personal preference is to not engage with it, then don't.

It was just a replacement for those temporary chalkboard menus, the person wo did that previously left. Perhaps she has bad taste but that doesn't mean she was slacking off. Did they spend a lot of time on the chalkboard menus previously?

In the context of how it was done, saying that they would give them a list of people and a day to think it over, it really is a threat, it's a kind of extortion.

It only signals to me that they have other priorities.

I mean there's a pretty big third group there which recognizes the good parts and the bad parts. Right?

For every person who can spot it a mile away I wonder how many false positives they have or simply aren't aware of it. If you're looking for it, with people using it a lot these days, of course you are going to have a high success rate.

But really I don't think it falls neatly into either of those categories.

Some people get value out of finding results not the actual work. It is still work, just different kind of work.

I don't get why it is hard to understand there is middle ground. People are 10x their productivity, it isn't all buggy junk, but it isn't all it is hyped up to be either. It isn't that complicated.

If you hold the extreme position that there isn't any value in this, that's fine, but we're only having this discussion because these models have done what humans previously failed to do.

Just an fyi since my poli sci prof would bring this up whenever it was mentioned: Trump cannot unilaterally cancel elections. They are run by the states.

Is there much of substance to this article? It mostly seems doomerism and conjecture.

You've identified a very specific type of web dev, one that works on perf critical apps in a corp environment and said corp cares about perf and quality. Tons of people simply don't work in those environments and unfortunately this threatens their career.

I work in an environment where we can vibecode 4/5 of our web apps because they are either small enough or the perf doesn't matter. Or, I've looked under the hood and these are writing endpoints that would take me 3x the amount of time it would take it to use the same libraries. You say it's divorced from reality, I'm saying it's just what I've directly observed.

I'm glad it doesn't affect you, but you don't have any kind of statistical measurement (nor do I) to know how much of the market this impacts. I do know for a lot of the web dev I did pereviously, I could do it viea these models today.

I don't get why you're being so rude. What's the point?

For the record, I hardly use these models. I've simply seen that they can replace existing web apps. That hurts the market for web devs, most orgs aren't building out large apps they are building out smallish ones and generative models do that today.

That only matters if you need to support 1k users. Tons of software doesn't and if you can spit out a web app in a few hours a lot of companies are going to do that.

I'm sure there is still a pot for really high quality stuff but it's a tradeoff a lot of companies don't care. But the interfaces - they aren't ugly, they're very usable and complete, which is the main reason I think web dev is in trouble. It'd take me 10x the time to do it myself.

The huge apps that my coworkers build out with minimal human input makes me scared to be a web dev in this environment. Just way too much can get automated.

I don't see it as any different as dev without it, though I don't find that especially "fun" either.

You're just staring at a screen pushing pixels all day. Whether I do that with Claude or without doesn't matter to me.