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I mean there's a pretty big third group there which recognizes the good parts and the bad parts. Right?

For every person who can spot it a mile away I wonder how many false positives they have or simply aren't aware of it. If you're looking for it, with people using it a lot these days, of course you are going to have a high success rate.

But really I don't think it falls neatly into either of those categories.

Some people get value out of finding results not the actual work. It is still work, just different kind of work.

I don't get why it is hard to understand there is middle ground. People are 10x their productivity, it isn't all buggy junk, but it isn't all it is hyped up to be either. It isn't that complicated.

If you hold the extreme position that there isn't any value in this, that's fine, but we're only having this discussion because these models have done what humans previously failed to do.

Just an fyi since my poli sci prof would bring this up whenever it was mentioned: Trump cannot unilaterally cancel elections. They are run by the states.

Is there much of substance to this article? It mostly seems doomerism and conjecture.

You've identified a very specific type of web dev, one that works on perf critical apps in a corp environment and said corp cares about perf and quality. Tons of people simply don't work in those environments and unfortunately this threatens their career.

I work in an environment where we can vibecode 4/5 of our web apps because they are either small enough or the perf doesn't matter. Or, I've looked under the hood and these are writing endpoints that would take me 3x the amount of time it would take it to use the same libraries. You say it's divorced from reality, I'm saying it's just what I've directly observed.

I'm glad it doesn't affect you, but you don't have any kind of statistical measurement (nor do I) to know how much of the market this impacts. I do know for a lot of the web dev I did pereviously, I could do it viea these models today.

I don't get why you're being so rude. What's the point?

For the record, I hardly use these models. I've simply seen that they can replace existing web apps. That hurts the market for web devs, most orgs aren't building out large apps they are building out smallish ones and generative models do that today.

That only matters if you need to support 1k users. Tons of software doesn't and if you can spit out a web app in a few hours a lot of companies are going to do that.

I'm sure there is still a pot for really high quality stuff but it's a tradeoff a lot of companies don't care. But the interfaces - they aren't ugly, they're very usable and complete, which is the main reason I think web dev is in trouble. It'd take me 10x the time to do it myself.

The huge apps that my coworkers build out with minimal human input makes me scared to be a web dev in this environment. Just way too much can get automated.

I don't see it as any different as dev without it, though I don't find that especially "fun" either.

You're just staring at a screen pushing pixels all day. Whether I do that with Claude or without doesn't matter to me.

The us is not anti-immigrant, it accepts massive numbers of immigrants every year. It would be below sustainable birthrate without it.

How do people get by when that happens? If you have no job after a period of time, what are your options?

Does Canada not already have an issue with not enough jobs available?

Is it possible to jump into this with a background as a senior dev or is it too late? I don't know where to get started, would you just look like a junior or entry level candidate by doing that?

Thank you for providing sources.

Do you have anything which shows long-term effects are 50-70%?

I have stopped taking it, I didn't have side effects.

> The most common side effects reported by patients in the study by Hu et al1 of 401 outpatients taking SSRIs were drowsiness (38%), dry mouth (34%), and sexual dysfunction (34%)

> which was conducted in 1999-2000, questioned patients about side effects via phone interviews within 75 to 105 days of starting antidepressant therapy. The side effects deemed most bothersome were sexual dysfunction (17%)

It's no where near those numbers.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3181894/

You notice how the scientific numbers get inflated in anecdotes from 17-34% to 50-70%?

Sure. I always find the more extremist responses (you can find some towards the bottom) confusing because the only side effect I've ever been aware of is not wanting to die.

I just think there's a lot of fud around this and I have friends who have never taken them that were very ready to jump in on the discussion about how they destroy lives.

> In both research and clinical contexts, an important challenge is presented by the phenomenological overlap between side effects and residual symptoms of depression. Thus, fatigue, cognitive impairment, apathy, jitteriness and irritability, and sleep and appetite changes are core features of depression, but may also be related to antidepressant, treatment. In a small study of 43 depressed inpatients,6 which investigated the rate of somatic symptoms and complaints that were present before and after treatment, many symptoms often considered to be side effects of drugs were also present prior to treatment, including dry mouth, lightheadedness, sweating, tremors, and constipation. The distinction between residual symptoms and side effects is crucial, as they call for very different responses.

This topic always draws out the contrarians. It's like vaccine discussion.

I don't to my knowledge suffer side-effects.

Why are you certain about this?

Yes but again this is the exact example of anecdotes. Those not suffering aren't going to seek out subreddits to post about their non-problems. You can find a subreddit about everything, whether that's representative of anything or not.

> In the US you meet with one for 15m, get prescribed a cocktail of drugs, a few months later you report if it worked, and if not they'll up the dose or play around with the cocktail. I don't know how we call that stuff science.

Is that not science? It's on a small scale but this is all they have to work on. We don't understand enough, it is all trial and error.

I note that not all psychs operate this way, mine would not give me a perscription until several visits in.

You're going to hear about it when it happens because it really bothers people when it happens but you aren't going to hear how often it statistically happens.

I notice reduced desire but I'm depressed, too, it's hard to disentangle the effects, there is a ton of fud.

What's wild about that? What does the science say?

I've tried a variety and I can't say whether I've experienced side effects. That's just an anecdote but that's the thing with this discussion, that's all you will get. If people don't suffer side effects, they're not likley to get on HN and post about them, etc.

The bigger issue is the person dealing with these issues is taking them because they are not well-off. If you deal with reduced desire, for example, is that a side effect of the medication or is that a side effect of being depressed.

I think your "wild" is a little flippant or telling because it just points back to anecdotes.

I'm not sure; I find the job pretty boring.

I didn't say it was super dumb, it was more of a reflection on that's how much a wrapper is worth today.

7B for a wrapper.

UBI is usually proposed at 1k per month. Nobody is living off that. But doing that increases the budget by 3 trillion.

Why exactly would UBI help the average person? It gives them pennies and only worsens US spending.

Why are you convinced of that? Pretty much every time I see statements like that online, I can find plenty of organic traffic supporting it, not everything is a bot.

I just wouldn't bias myself that way, most people haven't really used local models. This stuff is pretty much all subjective evaluation, there's plenty of reasons for people to favor certain models or disfavor others.