orangedog

Devs have been wasting time and money on projects for decades. Somebody does something novel and complete and now we want to shit on it?

Why comment if all you have is negativity.

Is the point of somebody's project to make you feel something inside? Up your curiosity.

It's amazing it is even possible.

It's a videogame, there doesn't have to be a 'practical" reason. Somebody does something for fun and all you get is negativity. Some of you have lost your sense of curiosity.

There are people that code well that use these tools, too.

I just find it interesting that they did it.

Somebody had to do it and they did it.

Is creating not enough? Somebody has done something artistic and all you hear is negativity.

It's amazing to me how miserable some people can be. Incredibly rude and dismissive to come in a comment section and shit on something creative.

> One is art. When completed, they can look at it and be reminded of the journey of creation, a labor of love. It could be put away, or displayed for all to enjoy.

How is this not applicable to both things? This just reads as gatekeeping to me.

The amount of time or effort put into something does not determine its value.

Why was it killed? That sounds very interesting.

Does anybody have a link to it? I can't find it on the blog.

In my state the pension plan is pretty mediocre, it does not make up for the low pay.

it's very dependent on state and most states are underpaid even including getting summers off. The benefits aren't very good in my state and we're one of the better paying states in the region.

There are some huge outliers like California but most states teachers are just treading water. I know this in my state because I was trying to get accredited earlier this year.

Teachers in my state are lucky to crack $75,000 salary after 10 years. Yes, they are underpaid.

You guys are way too critical and about the wrong things. "Waste of tokens"? Perhaps the author know of the tradeoffs and just wanted to build something.

How you went from seeing somebody's post to deciding they don't care is a pretty big jump, one that isn't warranted. This kind of post seems like the old but now more elaborated form of hating on something that you don't even know what it is.

It just isn't fair to the work that has been put in.

I think this is just gatekeeping. If you are involved in the creative process - additive or subtractive, you are an artist.

It allows them to take on tasks they could not before.

For example, creating a game where before you'd have to pay for assets or creating a movie to where you'd have to pay for a lot of various things. I gave an example earlier where I've watched vids people generated based on existing fiction. These are artists (you're still framing the shot, selecting dialogue, etc), and they could not have done this before; it would have been too expensive.

Some artists get cut out of the loop but it allows small teams to do what was impossible. Is this not valid?

This is what I mean, people don't feel the same way. I find the lyrics creative enough, the style hits, that's all I'm looking for. I don't find most music on the market that interesting, anyway. I found people making music about UFOs and disclosure of all things, there isn't exactly a huge market for that. It's allowing people to express things in music they previously weren't.

This is the kind of stuff which will just cause people to be contrarian and like it because we're told it's something to be embarrassed over. People put human-created content on way too high of a pedestal.

I find it interesting that we have tools which can take a general concept and sound and create hours and hours of content out of that and I don't consider it any different than remixing human stuff, it is still human at its core.

Honestly, for the people who hate this stuff, the best thing you can do is not to mock people in this way because I promise you, that's how you get contrarians. Do you know how rude it is to be told that what you like is legitimately embarrassing? What caused you to say that to another human being? Come on!

You're replacing some artist and empowering others. If a single creative can gen a 3 hour movie (we'll pretend it is high-quality), then they can do things which were previously impossible. Was it not marketed as a tool which enabled people to do more?

I'm a fan of generated music and have run across some generated vids I like. I've seen some really creative stuff which took existing fiction and generated vid content around that. Previously, that content simply would not have been created because it would have been way too expensive. I know I'm not the only one out there who enjoys it at times.

There is undoubtedly some performative element, how big that is who knows?

I really doubt it. I think more and more people will get used to it and accept it. It's not going anywhere. The best artists and creators will figure out how to use tech which empowers them and then what will the rest of the artists and creatives do? Refuse to engage with modernity? I doubt it.

It only takes a single project to show it works to get other people jumping on board. Some amount of gamers are pretty vocal about it (though I'm sure it's being used in most studios these days in some fashion). If a company creates a game which embraces the "slop" and has great assets on a fun game are people going to avoid it? If that works out, will companies following them avoid it? That's just not how people work.

Yeah, when you are pulling out terms of the very online like "meat proxies", you're not exactly in a place to judge the rest of society, you're in a bubble.

I don't know if it is the minority but I think sanity is the group of people not taking a "side" and just realizing this new tech is what it is and it's going to and has had both major advantages and disadvantages. Blog posts like the above are a dime a dozen along with their opposite and thy only read like people caught up in bubbles.

Defamation? The author's responses and complete lack of honesty certainly made it look like a scam.

The author listed feature after feature that were unfulfilled. Scam is being fairly kind to the project, I thought the guy was the worst kind of liar. You can check out any of the earlier threads on HN to find out for yourself.

It isn't that it was early, it's that it advertised itself to be what it was not. You defending it isn't doing anybody any favors as this is all public record and you're just standing up for a dev that doesn't deserve it

It comes across as spiteful, I don't think it is at all obvious and it isn't obvious to the store owner either.

We just disagree, and that's why this is the wrong approach to enacting whatever kind of change they wanted.

They can do that but it would be a huge overreach. I guess you have strong feelings about it, but plenty of us don't want it banned.

That's not what the "threat" said. It said that they would give them a list of people, it isn't obvious that hiring some random would have made them happy. It's not even obvious whether this wasn't just a convenient way to make some money for a friend.

It seems like a ban would both be overreaching and won't happen. If your personal preference is to not engage with it, then don't.

It was just a replacement for those temporary chalkboard menus, the person wo did that previously left. Perhaps she has bad taste but that doesn't mean she was slacking off. Did they spend a lot of time on the chalkboard menus previously?

In the context of how it was done, saying that they would give them a list of people and a day to think it over, it really is a threat, it's a kind of extortion.

It only signals to me that they have other priorities.