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We'd love to help. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16889578

Already designing and architecting that. Should be great. Stay tuned.

You have my promise that we'll work very hard to do just that.

On it. We were a pre-launch customer of AWS, so we've been building both modern and at scale for quite some time. Super-talented team at Flickr, I can't wait to see what we can do together.

The community _is_ the thing with Flickr. It's what we're most excited about. We'll work hard to play to those strengths.

We did a ton of cross-browser testing, but it's possible we missed something or had a regression. Checking. Thanks for letting me know!

Thanks for the vote of confidence and trust. We'll work hard to earn it and live up to a high bar.

I will move heaven and earth to solve this for you. We're moving off of Yahoo Auth as soon as we can, but can likely fix before that (which will take awhile). Raising this up the flag pole.

Don (CEO) here, thanks so much for the kind words and the walk down memory lane. I remember those days fondly. :)

This is going to be far from easy, but I think it will be fun, exciting and rewarding. We're excited to thrill photographers all over the world.

Don here, thanks so much for the vote of confidence. Big job ahead of us, but the community is the reason we did this. We want to invest, innovate and grow there. We'll be working hard. But first I have a lot of learning to do. Stay tuned.

This has been my go-to for passwords for awhile. Top 100, 500, 1000, etc all the way to millions. https://github.com/danielmiessler/SecLists/tree/master/Passw...

I suppose I should have elaborated on our journey. The nutshell is that we've been in business for 14 years, bootstrapped and profitable, and currently employ more than 120 of the best people I know. It can be done, even in Silicon Valley. :)

Thanks for pointing that out. It is funny that this is a very normal way to start a business almost everywhere else - but people do look at you funny in Silicon Valley.

As a bootstrapped founder, exciting to see communities like this forming and rising. It's such a non-traditional way to start, build and grow a business in Silicon Valley that it can be baffling for new founders or those that want to try something "different". I've been encouraged by the recent success of the Tugboat Institute and its Evergreen movement, too, FWIW: http://www.thetugboatgroup.com/

SmugMug | Mountain View, CA and REMOTE | Engineers of all stripes

We're passionate about the power of photos to change the world and transform people's lives. We're trying to be the very best place to celebrate them. https://www.smugmug.com/

We're a bootstrapped, privately held company that has been in business for 14 years. And we're a different kind of company. Large numbers of our >100 employees have been with us for many years.

Here's our openings and more about us: https://jobs.smugmug.com/ (I notice our opening for Windows Developer isn't there, but I assure you, we'd love to hire you :) )

Oh, and I should mention we've had unlimited storage for a reasonable yearly fee for nearly 14 years.

Thanks for the mention! Appreciate it. :) The bulk of our business (2/3rds of subscribers) is non-Pro. We come off as fairly professional (and we love our Pros!), but I think that's mostly because we have a huge emphasis on presentation. Our philosophy is, if you care about photos enough to pay for somewhere great to keep them safe and show them off with the people you care about, you're in the club. We'd love to have you.

They're both difficult to grok but for different reasons. (Well, the same underlying reason - bandwidth - just accounted for differently).

Glacier, as the article points out, is difficult to grok because there are provisioned bandwidth costs.

Nearline is difficult to grok because it simply caps your bandwidth at 4 MB/s per TB stored. It starts at 1 MB/s.

Basically, both are optimized to make retrieval slow and/or expensive because the cost optimizations they're doing internally are incentivizing very cold data, very big data, or both.

Hey Paul, this value proposition resonates with me (especially the comparison with lawyers and accountants) and I'm the target customer... But I enthusiastically tried Magic when they first launched and it was full of fail (big promise from Magic, no delivery on a keg of beer from the East Bay). I certainly would have paid a lot for it. Skeptical that it'd be any different this time around? [Edit: typo]

+ means add and + means higher. Both are incorrect. S3's pricing is 340% higher than B2's. S3's pricing is 440% of B2's. So either "+340%" or "440%" work.

So for that chart, you're choosing Availability Time as the only metric to care about or facet on? But not Durability (# of 9s, # of datacenters, etc)? If that's so, you should just make that clear. And S3-IA would be on that list.

Otherwise, you're just picking & choosing whatever metrics paint you in the best light, which is what would make a prospective customer (like me) or of mine leery.

It feels like you're either unaware of the competitive landscape (unlikely) or intentionally skewing the story, or both. And that will scare off potential customers, like me.

B2 is exciting! You're doing something innovative! I'm interested! Just tell your story, don't hide the things that make you different, and let the clients choose.

B2 is very competitive even with those other services listed - and it makes you seem more credible.

+440% would mean: $0.005 + ($0.005 * 4.4) = $0.027 since you're adding (+) 440%.

B2 has plenty of limitations, too. Like being single datacenter. I wouldn't disqualify it from a list like this just because it's "different".

Each of the services on the list have their upsides and downsides, and none of them are anywhere near apples-to-apples.

What they all are are cloud-based key-value storage, each with their own tradeoffs, including price. So include all the major ones so your clients can make an informed decision and you don't look like you're completely unaware of your own competitive landscape.

Heh, a friend just pointed out that their math is wrong on their pricing comparison page, too. S3 isn't +440%, it's +340%.

Disingenuous of them to not compare their pricing to Google Nearline[1] or AWS S3 Infrequent Access[2] or AWS Glacier[3] given their price points ($0.01/GB/mo, $0.0125/GB/mo, $0.007/GB/mo) are much more competitive with B2 price-wise. Talk about stacking the deck in your favor.

Makes me leery of even trying it (what other things are they covering up?) or moving my tens of petabytes over there, despite my intense interest.

[1] https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/nearline

[2] https://aws.amazon.com/s3/

[3] https://aws.amazon.com/glacier/

Particularly on mobile, Facebook is seeing fairly big wins with IPv6. It's not entirely clear why, but it's happening. Here's Paul Saab's deck from earlier this year: https://www.dropbox.com/s/15xi92296lw32hu/Facebook-World-IPv...

Issue a PR. :) There are some great PRs already...

How so? We'd need to know both how much data cjensen lost and how much data Glacier has in it to tell, neither of which I know from this conversation.

Very interested, but worried that if it's free, it won't last or be maintained, etc.

But in specific answer to this question, if it's really public and free, why not see about adding it to Amazon's public datasets [1]? S3 is fast, durable, available, and I've enjoyed these other data sets.

[1] http://aws.amazon.com/datasets/

Yeah, not only do we preserve the MD5 of the uploaded file for photos, we preserve the uploaded file itself fully intact. So getting the Original back will result in exactly the same bytes and thus the same MD5 hash. (You're correct that we used to apply some transformations to the photos that didn't materially change the pixel content, but changed bytes and thus the hash. We don't anymore).

For videos, we don't preserve the uploaded video for a variety of reasons, but the primary being that our intent is to support Internet-deliverable formats & filesizes. Customers regularly upload videos that vastly exceed Blu-ray bitrates (literally hundreds of megabits-per-second) that just aren't Internet-useful.

That's different from a JPEG, GIF, or PNG where the original file is Internet-useful, deliverable, and makes a meaningful difference. That file is very useful for sharing, which is what we do - we share.

We don't consider ourselves to be a backup service, and there are lots of great backup services out there to choose from that would love to take a 3GB 5 minute video. We take extraordinary care with our customers photos & videos, but we're a photo & video sharing service, not a backup service.