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nycmeshon NYC Mesh Community Internet

Community networks are pretty common in rural areas in other countries. My favorites are guifi.net and b4rn.org.uk. They both use lots of fiber running through farms.

nycmeshon NYC Mesh Community Internet

We tried repeating LinkNYC kiosks a few years ago but it wasn't reliable enough, making it too difficult to support.

We have instructions for a DIY connection on our website and a channel on our Slack where you can ask other members about problems. The DHCP lease tends to go dead every couple of months and we have various things to try when that happens.

nycmeshon NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

BGP is mesh, we also use bmx6

nycmeshon NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

We have a #newjersey channel on our Slack. We need more people there to help organize

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

https://nycmesh.net/panorama/1.7miles.png

That's a LiteBeam Gen1 installed in the east village on 5th St connected to 375 Pearl St downtown. The gen1 actually has a stronger signal than the gen2, so this is a bit better than our usual connection.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

Did you read any of our comments?

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

Volunteers donate their time because they enjoy it. We have so many volunteers it is hard to keep track of them all. Obviously it is more efficient to use volunteers if there are enough. We are considering using contractors for some huge projects we are planning.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

Netflix standard streaming is 3Mbps, so even with your math (which isn't how bandwidth works) everyone is happy.

We've never come anywhere near saturating our gig connection. We monitor it. Each building is limited to their own rooftop connection which is an average 100Mbps, so they can't do more than that if they tried. The thing is not everyone is downloading a file at the same time, and streaming uses much less bandwidth than downloading. From Netflix site-

0.5 Megabits per second - Required broadband connection speed

1.5 Megabits per second - Recommended broadband connection speed

3.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for SD quality

5.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for HD quality

25 Megabits per second - Recommended for Ultra HD quality

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

There are about 10 fiber providers in the city. We've spoken to most of them. It's pretty much impossible for us to lay fiber, so we have to lease it. We'd like to eventually lease a fiber ring across the city so we can cut costs when connecting multiple buildings. If you don't have a ring then you have to pay for the run all the way back to a coloc.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

We originally used the qMp/OpenWRT package that included mdns, which is a version of zeroconf for the internal network. It isn't scaling so we now use our own DNS server to resolve internal addresses on our 10/ network.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

Thanks!

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

We get a lot of support from the NYC networking community, and we have a lot of friends at the NYNOG meetups. Everyone is very helpful and they also want the big ISPs to have some competition, so we get donations from quite a few people. Some also join our network and get nodes on their own roofs and help with other installs!

DE-CIX is the biggest IXP and they measure their network in terabits/sec. It is not a big deal for them to donate us a 1 gig connection. (it's a big deal for us!) Eventually we may upgrade it to 10 gig.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

Mainly logistics. We've had a huge influx of people wanting to be connected since December, so we've had to add stuff like a ticketing system, inventory tracking and also we're training people to lead installs. It's normal scaling problems that fast growing organizations have.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

We bypass traditional ISPs by connecting directly at an internet exchange point (DE-CIX IXP) and peering with other networks. This is basically how the internet is formed, by networks peering with each other. We don't need this ISP layer.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

Yes the noise floor is bad, but we get about a 2 mile range which covers a huge amount of people in Manhattan. The Ubiquiti sector antennas use TDMA so it is not standard 802.11ac.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

It's a non-profit

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

The public access point SSIDs are usually "-NYC Mesh-" or "nycmesh" followed by location.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

Our recurring costs are only for the lease at supernode1, which is around $1000/month. Divide that by our member node count (158) multiplied by users of each node ~4, 1000/(158*4)gives you under $2/month per user. Members usually pay for their own routers so that isn't included. To set up the supernode was about a $10K one-off charge for install fees, servers and antennas.

DE-CIX, our IXP, donated bandwidth to us, and we have transit also donated from Packet Host and WebAir. We actually pay nothing for bandwidth. Probably one day we will pay but it is not that expensive if you do this at an IXP and use peering.

We have an AirFiber pair that is 24Ghz, but all of our sectors are 5Ghz wifi.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

No you don't need hundreds of thousands. You do need tens of thousands. We've had no downtime this year at supernode1. Yes reliability is a big priority, but it is not a big priority for the big ISPs in NYC. Time Warner Cable (now Spectrum) has barely two nines. In Manhattan it would go down in the East Village after every large storm. We are already providing faster more reliable connections than this.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

We are already self funded by individual donations. Every question I answer seems to bring up new objections.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

I don't think you get what we are doing at all! Anyway we are in 375 Pearl with a lease and it has most of your long list, diesel generators etc.

We compete on price (donation only)

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

https://www.peeringdb.com/asn/395853 NYC Mesh

What is your problem??

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

you are upvoting [things that are not true about us]

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

Our ASN is AS395853. Our peering info is here- https://nycmesh.net/peering/ We have v4 and v6 space.

Our uptime when connecting to supernode1 is significantly better than Time Warner Cable as many of our members have reported.

We are already established. This is something we have already done! It isn't impossible.

Our IXP is DE-CIX, the worlds biggest IXP. We are currently in one data-center/IXP and talking to a few more colocs.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

That's why we build a hybrid network with p2p and p2mp backhaul.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

Our average speeds connecting to our supernodes is around 100Mbps. I'm not sure what you are referring to.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

We are a hybrid of mesh, p2p and point to multi-point (sector antennas). Whatever is most appropriate to give the best connection for reasonable price.

nycmeshon 'Anti-authority' tech rebels take on ISPs, connect NYC with cheap Wi-Fi

We are replacing ISPs in NYC for our members. This is now, not the future. The main thing holding us back is scaling up the number of installs.

All networks, including us, add to this expensive infrastructure. The difference with our infrastructure is it is owned and shared by members.

nycmeshon NYC Mesh is trying to get around the big ISPs one node at a time

There a many huge mesh networks all over the world, just not so many in this country. Guifi in Spain has 29,208 active nodes so there is no argument that mesh doesn't scale. https://guifi.net/en/node/38392

nycmeshon NYC Mesh is trying to get around the big ISPs one node at a time

Oops, that is my server! I'll fix it today. What café are you in? We don't even know about this access point. Try chat.mesh