notspanishflu

So what?

No, the secessionists movement is deeply fueled with public funds. Now that Spanish government is going to control that, you can expect way less secessionists support.

>Unionists are few and with not that many people (except the one on the 8th of October).

Anti-secession supporters has been afraid of Catalan government. Not anymore.

>Unionists would love an armed or belligerent pro-independence group

No, that's BS. By the way, such group has existed before (Terra Lliure) and nothing changed.

I have read it carefully, thank you. Nothing changes.

The article 1.2 of the Spanish Constitution states:

> La soberanía nacional reside en el pueblo español, del que emanan los poderes del Estado.

(The national sovereignty resides in the Spanish people, from which emanate the powers of the State.)

I think you have a conceptual problem because you're mixing the basics.

We are talking about democratic constitutions, quite different from legal texts from totalitarian regimes.

But the majority support the current law.

The actions of the Spanish government are supported by right wing (PP), left wing (PSOE), and center wing (Ciudadanos).

Catalonia has never been a colony.

The European Union leaders ain't turning a blind eye, they have showed their express support to the Spanish government, and to the rule of law.

Spanish sovereignty resides in all Spaniards, not just a part of them. It is in the Spanish Constitution.

If secessionists lose an election, they'll keep asking for another, and another.

But it is. It is specifically forbidden in the Spanish Constitution.

The sovereignty of Spain resides in all Spaniards.

>Spain is forcing its might on a peaceful majority on Catalonians through violence...

Except that statement is completely false.

Barcelona's local government has been pretty aggressive against tourism lately.

Edit: Ok, is impossible to have a conversation when secessionists are downvoting every comment. Fine. I prefer to post arguments, and sources.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2017/04/ba...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11643...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/01/barcelona-anti...

Something more than fake news, that's for sure.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalonia-demo...

https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02/inenglish/1506943013_99...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/19...

Following your argument: lets make happy that 50% breaching the law, and lets punish the 50% honoring the law.

That doesn't make any sense.

Interestingly enough the same arguments secessionists state for breaking with Spain, they expressly forbid such thing inside Catalonia.

V.g. Barcelona can't propose a secession from Catalonia.

Since when applying the law is escalating?

All European Union leaders support the rule according a higher law.

All Spaniards have the right, not only a part of Spaniards (like those living in Catalonia).

My statement is in the Spanish Constitution, I don't know why you're confused.

This is not like England and Scotland, is more like Manchester wanting to leave England.

Catalonia was a economical power but not anymore, all Spaniards are sustaining that region using the FLA (Fondo de Liquidez Autonómica or Autonomous Liquidity Fund).

If you believe that lie, I can't help you.

What part you don't understand?

I'll try again.

All Spaniards have voice & vote about sovereignty, not just a bunch of Spaniards.

The majority of catalans don't want independence.

The political parties promoting independence represent less citizens than the political parties that want Catalonia to be part of Spain.

The sovereignty of Spain falls on all Spanish citizens.

If you allow a referendum on such topic in a part of Spain, it doesn't matter the result because you're accepting implicitly that a part of Spain can rule over the whole.

No doubt, you're a Patán.

FYI there was a terrorist group in Catalonia called "Terra Lliure". Now the members of that group are promoting secession.

The sovereignty of Spain falls on all Spanish citizens.

If you allow a referendum on such topic in a part of Spain, it doesn't matter the result because you're accepting implicitly that a part of Spain can rule over the whole.

The sovereignty of Spain falls on all Spanish citizens.

If you allow a referendum on such topic in a part of Spain, it doesn't matter the result because you're accepting implicitly that a part of Spain can rule over the whole.

I agree with that, I don't agree with BBC quoting "hundreds injured" without a reliable source.

I'm repeating myself but...

The only source for BBC quoting "hundreds injured" is what secessionists say, they don't contrast that number.

There was a change in BBC news after Brexit, trying to weaken the common European position.

The only source for BBC quoting "hundreds injured" is what secessionists say, they don't contrast that number.

There was a change in BBC news after Brexit, trying to weaken the common European position.