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A late 80s / early 90s BBS is no comparison. Cost-per-everything in computers had plummeted by then--even kids could host a BBS with the family computer.
Per wiki on Prestel (i know it's videotex, but the article covered both):
Hosting Costs:
> In 1985, British Telecom estimated that for an IP using a typical minicomputer (such as the PDP-11) located 100 km from London and handling up to 10 users simultaneously at peak times, the one-off software set-up cost would be at least £16,000, communication costs would range from £4,280 to £5,550 a year (depending on the type of connection), and Prestel usage would cost £8,600 a year.[82]: 4
Usage Costs:
> At the launch of the commercial service in September 1979, and in addition to phone charges, users were charged 3p per minute online to Prestel from 8 am to 6 pm Monday to Friday, and 3p for three minutes at other times. Installing a phone jack-socket cost £13, with a quarterly rental of 50p. Business users paid an additional standing charge (i.e., a flat charge regardless of usage) of £12 per quarter.[23]
> By October 1982, the online usage charge had risen to 5p per minute (8 am to 6 pm Monday to Friday and also 8 am to 1 pm on Saturdays, free at other times), the business standing charge to £15 per quarter, residential users now paid £5 per quarter, and jack installation cost "from £15", with a 15p quarterly rental fee.[24]: 2
Content Distribution Costs:
> A main IP rented pages from the Post Office (initially) or British Telecom (later), and controlled a three-digit master-page in the database. In 1982, this cost an annual £5,500 for a basic package,[24]: 1 equivalent to around £29,000 in 2021.[80]
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-reader-view-clu...
https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/css-overview.html
It even has a DOM inspector window:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/597259/how-do-i-open-gtk-ins...
> CSS classes
To spell it out, I think it is all excessive.
We rewrote the Ghostty *G* *T* *K* application
The article about struggling... with GTK.
GTK has gotten so fat that it's more like a 2nd-rate Electron. Not that Electron would have done Ghostty any good...
I have a bad feeling that the only decent & consistent UI option under Linux is to target Win32 API, then run it under Wine.
From your article:
> Note that the thinned array curse applies only to mutually coherent sources. If the transmitting sources are not mutually coherent, the size of the ground spot does not depend on the relationship of the individual sources to one another, but is simply the sum of the individual spots from each source.